Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Sounds great. Whatever... like I've said again paraphrasing Ozzy (ever and ever more loosely)...

Pimps Up... Hoes Down.

[OzzyKP]

Ally with the FRENCH!?!

[Calanthian]

Wild idea:
perhaps we could divide all players into World War II type alliances? This will also greatly fuel story telling and diplos..

Factions:
* Communists
* Right Wing Totalitarians / Fascists
* Democrats





Only rules:
* you may not declare war on someone within your own faction
* subbing only within your own faction.

[Rhothaerill]

Thanks for your involvement! Sorry you got turned off of diplo.

It's okay. I tried out the game. I've since come to realize it's not my type of game. Nothing more than that, and not a reflection on the players here. I'd game with you again, just not in a diplogame format.

[Calanthian]

Thanks Rhothaerill, for the intro and the password. Hope to see you then in another type of civ game..


* I couldn't connect to the game. I wanted to take a look around in my new home... I guess the game is down?

* Can we establish the exact conditions under which DoE will be continued?
1) All alliances, deals etc. null and void?
2) What to do with current upgrade and tech arrangements? Both sides of the conflict are completely inter-dependent countries..
3) How to make sure that we really form new alliances and come up with new strategies?
4) How many turns will there be universal peace, 30?
5) Proposal: Perhaps we can design 3 or 4 alliances beforehand? Discuss them and make them public..

[OzzyKP]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Inca (DoE)]

Let that be the arrangement. Calanthian takes Neandor and Russia takes Athens. Do it!

Russia (DoE) and me made a package deal concerning WPC/G&H and DoE with the result that both games get going again..

Craaaaaaaaaaaap.

[OzzyKP]

I've sent lengthy posts to Calanthian and Toni detailing what the ACE has been up to. Paswords too. Toni has the password for the Vikings (doe) account, but I do not know the Germany (doe) account password so Calanthian will have to get that from Robert.

Enjoy your new digs guys. I'll play France until he gets back from vacation. After that, enjoy the rest of the game guys.

If I post here from now on it will be as my normal nickname here: Rhothaerill.

Thanks for your involvement! Sorry you got turned off of diplo.

[Rhothaerill]

See

[Vikings (DoE)]

I've sent lengthy posts to Calanthian and Toni detailing what the ACE has been up to. Paswords too. Toni has the password for the Vikings (doe) account, but I do not know the Germany (doe) account password so Calanthian will have to get that from Robert.

Enjoy your new digs guys. I'll play France until he gets back from vacation. After that, enjoy the rest of the game guys.

If I post here from now on it will be as my normal nickname here: Rhothaerill.

[Vikings (DoE)]

Uh huh. Like I said, I'm not cut out for this type of game. I believed your post in the primary way it appeared, not the 40 twists and turns you took to justify it in-character. I maintain you'd make a fabulous politician.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Sure I will take a shot at some more spin...

Going off the definition you posted, (which I'll accept as accurate to be a good sport)... The capture of Freedom City was not "conquest-oriented" because the purpose of attacking the city was not to "acquire" the city nor to "subjugate" the city to Turkish rule. The differece would have been spun out and story posted in a trial of Jamal as I just explained above (I guess you missed that) And In fact, had you Axis guys not all started crying foul and quitting, I would have immediately offered Neandor the city back, as it was my intent to LIBERATE NOT SUBJUGATE the city and return it to Neandor. I don't want that city. I just don't want Vikings to have it. And that, friend, is why Jamal gets acquitted, because the capture of Freedom city was NOT "conquest-oriented". You can argue all you want that Webster says its conquest, but that doesn't matter, because its not conquest-oriented, and thus not violative of Turkish policy.

Semantics? Yes, Technical? Sure, but an argument that is "Technically" correct is still correct. Remember, I'm no Politician... I'm the SULTAN of Turkey.

Two points... first, This argument is very very IC. So if you're really quitting, we should just end it here. If youre staying in the game, then by all means continue it in the story thread

The second, even if I was flat-out LYING to you IC to trick you into exposing yourself militarily... Vikings are members of the enemy alliance. I'm don't owe you guys any honesty, Duh! Why would you ever trust me or think you could use my words to hamstring me to protect your evil Axis goals. If you have to break your word to an enemy to win the war, then hey... Read any Machiavelli lately?

So How ya like dem apples? Ummmm hmmm, You know you do

[Vikings (DoE)]

Here is your quote directly from the story thread:

So I announce that the Sultan, after much deliberation, has decided that Turkey will adopt as official policy, the tenets contained in Chapter 1 of The Great Treatise of International Law,
specifically, it shall be the policy of Turkey not to make conquest-oriented War on lower ranked nations. Accordingly, Turkey approves as lawful, India's effort to conquer land from China, as China is ranked higher than India.

From Merriam Webster here is the definition of conquest:

1: the act or process of conquering

And the definition of conquer:

1: to gain or acquire by force of arms : subjugate

Anything else you'd like to spin to justify attacking me after you said you would not attack lower ranked nations? You deliberately captured my city, by force of arms. You should be a politician. Just because you say it wasn't for conquest doesn't mean you didn't still declare war on me and take the city by plopping a unit into it...via conquest.

Last edited by Vikings (DoE); October 15, 2011, 21:26.

[Vikings (DoE)]

Yea, OK. But go back and read what I actually posted. It was very carefully worded with exactly this situation in mind. I think you put too much weight on what YOU WANTED the words to mean, instead of what I actually said. But if you were fooled in this way then good Go Turkey!

Hmmph, semantics. You conquered the city. Just because it wasn't "for conquest purposes" doesn't mean it isn't conquest. Like I said, I shouldn't ever believe anything you say in-character anymore (I figure I better make that distinction). One more reason why I'm not cut out for this type of game, since I took you at your in-character word which was proved false, however you try to spin it.

Not that I'm continuing to play in this game anyway, but still. Everyone be warned.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Perhaps I'm naive as I also believed that you told the truth when you said you would not attack anyone smaller than yourself and then you attacked me anyway. So yeah, I shouldn't ever believe anything you say, apparently.

Yea, OK. But go back and read what I actually posted. It was very carefully worded with exactly this situation in mind. I think you put too much weight on what YOU WANTED the words to mean, instead of what I actually said. But if you were fooled in this way then good Go Turkey!