New type of diplo game

[Russia (DoD)]

Stardust the current UN president has put forward a vote to BAN Nuklear Weapons. I welcome all nations to support us in this matter. Let's make the world safer!

[Sumeria (DoD)]

The Sumerian Ambassador in St Petersburg submitted a formal diplomatic protest to the Russian Government. The KGB moles seeking to provoke riots in the peaceful Sumerian city of Umma is an outrage. Sumerian police had to use tear gas, water cannon and plastic bullets to break up the demonstrations caused. Never before in history has Sumeria had to use force to control her own people! A fine example set by the Secretary-General of the UN as to how to conduct international diplomacy.

[Babylon (DoD)]

They are still in golden age so this change wouldn't require anarchy. Desertlord

This is a barefaced, utter lie - as we have come to expect from Desertliar. We are not in a goldern age.

We are not in goldern age. You simply wished to put us into anarchy so that we could not effectively resist your invading armies. Another self-serving lie, just like the one a decade ago when you said you would not invade Hindustan, and this latest garbage about votes ignoring the simple rules of mathematics.

That's your problem Desertliar - when you have such a history of barefaced lies and trickery, nobody - certain not us - are going to accept your diplomatic statements as worth a sausage. If you want to play the statesman you need to not lie, and stand by your commitments. Otherise however sensible sounding and tempting your offers may be, nobody will ever accept them because your commitments are worthless.

Rule number one for future success of Egyptian diplomacy - speak the truth and stand by your commitments - and then maybe people will listen to your offers.

As it is, we don't trust your commitments since you have twice in recent history proclaimed you will not invade Hindustan and yet you do. Why would anyone trust you, least of all us. We are content to fulfil our destiny of taking you to hell. We took you half way there in your last failed arrogant campain, we are content we can finish the job.

[Egypt (DoD)]

I think we need longer turns now, the turn order is: Sumeria, Babylon, Egypt

[Robert]

next turn is 36 hours.

[Egypt (DoD)]

Hinduistan,

The only liar is you: you say that you don't want religious dominance yet you take every chance to achieve it, that's why you let your own people suffer and not abandon your evil plans.

We made a mistake, yes. Your golden age ended one turn before, but when we gave you our ultimatum you still had the chance ((you logged in)) to adopt free religion in golden age.
And while we said that we would not attack you many thing has changed since then: We've learnt about your conspiracy attempt with Sumeria, We've learnt that you are working together with Russia. (just in last turn Rostov and Yaroslav have been converted-you probably would have enough vote if we had not acted)

Everyone can see that We did not want this war, but in the end we had no choice. Your stubbornness left us with no other option. You could have avoid it by simply adopting free religion, and you can still do it: once you are in free religion we will leave your cities.

Desertlord

[Sumeria (DoD)]

Sumeria-Hindustan war now over. Turn order no longer matters for Sumeria.

[Babylon (DoD)]

A proclamation of the Great Conclave of the Hindustani

We tire of the endless nonesense which is proclaimed about us, and the surprising seeming attitude of many nations as if they are playing a game. How anyone can treat life as a game we don't know.

People talk of 'adopting free religion' as if a holy nation, which has been governed by the precepts of Hinduism since time immemorial, is suddenly going to wake up one day and decide it doesn't really believe what it has done for millenia. It seems that many nations live by some strange expediency, changing all about themselves at a whim to achieve some momentary benefit. We find this distastful and surprising, and can't fathom how your people cope with this. Perhaps this is the point - rulers who act as if their rule of nations is a game, ignoring the genuine hopes, believes and aspirations of their people. It is not so with us.

Yes the Egyptians and others will liar as always and suggest that this is part of some great conspiracy. Egypt - not even ashamed when we point out that it lied about our goldern age, and has broken its twice given commitment not to invade us, and garbles mathematical untruths about votes. Those who believe in a great conspiracy will continue doing so I am sure - no truth, no historical evidence, nothing we say will change their minds.

But let us be clear to friends and foes alike. We are hindu. That is who we are. The great conclave is no more able to change that than fly to the moon. If others hate that so much, and so wish to invade us and massacre our people, or turn a blind eye while others do, so be it. We cannot change who we are. We will fight to protect our lives and property against invaders, and unsurprisingly will accept whatever help may, though probably will not, come our way.

Our people have understood the choice well over the last 200 years of anti-hindu persecuation and great suffering. They have chosen martyrdom about abandoning their beliefs. Indeed many tire of this world, wondering what future others think they have it in. If that shouts conspiracy to the twisted, that says more about them then us.

We are hindu. We cannot chance that. Our enemies cannot change that even if they rain fire from heaven on our women and children. They will simply make us dead Hindus.

[Babylon (DoD)]

The Messianic Warrior looked at the latest figures. All the cities captured by the Egyptians in the south had been recaptured. Their fleet lying off shore could not be counted, however. All was not well though - in the East the Egyptian army was plunging deep into hindu land and was impossible to stop.

Impossible, but ... the Messianic warrior looked at the casulaty figures - 16 Egyptian mechanicsed infantry and modern armour units sent to hell already. Hindu losses - 5 modern units, plus an assortment of elephant squadrons, machine gun battalions, anti tank units. All volunteer martyrs. The Hindu army now possessing far more modern troops now that when the war started.

But he was no fool. Messianic warrior? no martyr warrior was his role, for without someone stopping the Egyptian fleet babylon would burn, and the eastern Egyptian army would be at the shrine before many more years past. But then the gods had defeated the Egyptian technologically superior army before.

[Byzantium (DoD)]

A proclamation of the Great Conclave of the Hindustani

We tire of the endless nonesense which is proclaimed about us, and the surprising seeming attitude of many nations as if they are playing a game. How anyone can treat life as a game we don't know.

People talk of 'adopting free religion' as if a holy nation, which has been governed by the precepts of Hinduism since time immemorial, is suddenly going to wake up one day and decide it doesn't really believe what it has done for millenia. It seems that many nations live by some strange expediency, changing all about themselves at a whim to achieve some momentary benefit. We find this distastful and surprising, and can't fathom how your people cope with this. Perhaps this is the point - rulers who act as if their rule of nations is a game, ignoring the genuine hopes, believes and aspirations of their people. It is not so with us.

Yes the Egyptians and others will liar as always and suggest that this is part of some great conspiracy. Egypt - not even ashamed when we point out that it lied about our goldern age, and has broken its twice given commitment not to invade us, and garbles mathematical untruths about votes. Those who believe in a great conspiracy will continue doing so I am sure - no truth, no historical evidence, nothing we say will change their minds.

But let us be clear to friends and foes alike. We are hindu. That is who we are. The great conclave is no more able to change that than fly to the moon. If others hate that so much, and so wish to invade us and massacre our people, or turn a blind eye while others do, so be it. We cannot change who we are. We will fight to protect our lives and property against invaders, and unsurprisingly will accept whatever help may, though probably will not, come our way.

Our people have understood the choice well over the last 200 years of anti-hindu persecuation and great suffering. They have chosen martyrdom about abandoning their beliefs. Indeed many tire of this world, wondering what future others think they have it in. If that shouts conspiracy to the twisted, that says more about them then us.

We are hindu. We cannot chance that. Our enemies cannot change that even if they rain fire from heaven on our women and children. They will simply make us dead Hindus.

Gondor understands, yet we do not understand.

Gondor puts life ahead of politics and religion but we think differently to you - our brains and minds work differently so I guess I see now that people will die endlessly.

Gondor appreciates the relations we have with the Hindustani and still believe we can be friends. We do understand the Egyptian aims but their style is not ours and their diplomacy, well, appalling. Gondor does not support the Hindustani Diplomatic Victory UNLESS Gondor is SO threatened by attacking forces that there is no other way to save Gondor. I. Strider, people's elected President of Gondor, do act in the best interests of Gondor. I'm sure you all do likewise for your own nations.

Despite the Desertlord's statistical figuring Gondor believes no such DV will occur unless several nations of the world agree there is no other way. BUT to fulfill a Diplomatic Victory the Hindustani must remain, shall I say, diplomatic.

I urge you to adopt free religion to save your people for another day - this would more likely lead to a modest DV one day.

Some say Gondor schemes. We do not fight wars.

All I can say to the world is that Gondor is for Gondor!

Our foreign policies are transparent and publically stated bUT complex and difficult for some right brainers to understand - to re-iterate and fine tune:

* In a nuclear free world Sumeria receives full support from Gondor if attacked

* IF Sumeria builds the MH project and/or nuke weapons, Sumeria receives diplomatic support and possible minimal aid only. Gondor has urged Gilgamesh to avoid this outcome as it will end the NON-ALIGNED pact with Gondor.

* Mongolia receives full support from Gondor in all eventualities at this current time

* Our friendship with Rome, although very shaky some time ago, is now solid, particularly since their aid in improving our cultural borders. This recent act by Rome has forced Sauron back into his Dark Tower in Mount Doom... Rome receives full support from Gondor if attacked by Egypt. Gondor will work tirelessly on the diplomatic level to resolve any other conflicts effecting Rome, particularly with Sumeria.

* Egypt will have our sympathies if mercilessly attacked

* Russia is an ancient ally who has never harmed any nation and only ever helped others - they receive our immense gratitude and support and any vote for a UN DV will be supported by Gondor.

* America is an enigma and Gondor is negligent in allowing such minimal relations to exist between two such ancient bordering partners. American EP on Gondor requires an explanation. Do not fear if it is for tech sharing as others have dealt with Gondor in a similar regard, but please negotiate with us about your plans. Mystery and lack of understanding leads to Tanks up ones ass..

Strider.

[Egypt (DoD)]

I, the Desertlord despise those weak minded beings who would support anyone for so called "diplomatic victory". Why would someone give up their nation future for the well being for an other? Why does he think he is worthy to lead a nation in a first place then? I take that action as admitting one's failure to build a great nation.

About our war in hinduistan: all we want is to eliminate the chance for religious DV. Unfortunately we can't trust Russia anymore that they wouln't give their support to Babylon once more. They had spread hinduism in all their cities, if they change to hinduism even at this moment they would have the necessary votes, those who don't see it are blind.

This war, this neighbour is our curse. We hate this war, we always thought no reasonable leader would choose war when wanted so little: to be safe from this religious menace.
This time unfortunately Hinduistan is right: we won't be able to win this war: their armies have abandoned their border cities, leaving them to our mercy knowing that we will not raze them, and inside their territory their massive artillery and tank armies could annihilate most of the Egyptian army. We might win but then egypt would become defenseless, that won't happen.

Now I call the rest of the world to put pressure on hinduistan, to join our crusade if they don't accept our reasonable terms. And while we don't fight this war to gain anything from them we would not mind if others would do..

[Byzantium (DoD)]

Gondor does not believe in land domination.

Gondor does not believe in population domination.

Gondor does not believe in statistical domination.

Gondor believes in diplomacy and the betterment of all nations.

A diplomatic outcome is inevitable if we are all not to die in a smouldering cauldron of flames and dust, sand even...

[Egypt (DoD)]

Do you know what DoD stands for in your name? That's what you and your kind will get

[Babylon (DoD)]

Oh dear Desertliar - it really is coming apart isn't it.

• First, you declare publicly that you have broken your twice given commitment to peace with Hindustan, proving to the world that Egyptian promises and peace deals (you broke your part of the bargin but you aren't offering to give the troops back are you?) are as long lasting as an icecream in your infernal country. No nation will ever trust your deals again.
• Then, you admit that you lie publicly (ok you called it a mistake) - and you wonder why nobody trusts the veracity of your fantasy figures and propaganda - are they lies or just mistakes?
• Then, you arrogantly invade once again trusting in your technological superiority and your numbers, forgetting that your generals are incompetent and your soliders hate you, and take every opportunity to run away (yes another 8 mechanised infanstry and modern armour destroyed this year).
• Then you enact the sham and artifice of your adoption of hinduism as a nation, proving that not do you lie to everyone else but you even lie to your own people, though given the way you have built your nation on their slavery should we be surprised?
• Then, you insult your neighbours because they aren't as power crazed as you and believe in talking not killing.
• And finally, you lie saying that you can't win this war, trying in some crazed way to get people's sympathy! You are a murdering evil tyrant - and the only reason you are losing, beside incompentence and your people's hatred of you, is that you know other nations hate you and are longing to destroy you. So be it - if you act as an evil tyrant people will treat you as one.

You once stood high in this world. You hoped that you lies - from start to finish - about Hindu dominance would provide diplomatic cover to allow you to grab the productive mineral rich territory which your deserts do not provide. It worked for a while, but your arrogance in assuming you could destroy Hindustan easily was misplaced, and your diplomatic cover is collapsing.

Hell? Not quite, but your on your way.

[Babylon (DoD)]

The Great Conclave to Strider of Gonder,

We appreciate your friendship and honesty. We are sorry though that you continue to urge us to lie to our people and adopt some sham fantasy that Hindustan is no longer Hindustan. We are Hindus. We are not Egyptian - we cannot lie.

We are intrigued though that you plan for a Hindu victory at a time which suits you. We do not blame you for looking to the best interests of your people, but note that it is nations other than us who are obsessed with diplomatic victories. Yet sadly it is our people who die.

But once again we appreciate your honestly and frankness - if only other leaders were the same.