The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Robert]

I'm waiting for a response from both the Inca and the Ottomans.

[Russia (DoC)]

it's best if Russia just skips 1360 and then moves first in 1365 to declare war

fine by me.


when will that be?

[Korea (DoC)]

all good apaparnetly...

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Yes you have to feel for the Ottomans - being invaded is bad at the best of times, and then all this!

[Robert]

I'll PM Inca to find the correct time.

For the record, technically the Ottomans are allowed to move first in 1365, even if Russia doesn't move in 1360!!! (There's no war yet if Ottomans move first in 1365).

If Russia skips 1360 they only gain the right to start the war in 1365 by logging in first.
In fact these options are all valid:

1. Russia declares war in 1360
2. Russia skips 1360, moves first in 1365 and declares war
3. Russia plays 1360, waits for the Ottomans to move in 1365, and then moves and declares war
4. Russia doesn't declare war at all
5. Ottomans declare war in 1360 or 1365

But for non-technical reasons it's best if Russia just skips 1360 and then moves first in 1365 to declare war.

I'll PM Inca to find the best moment to relaunch the game.

I'll also MP the Ottomans, I think that they got an overdose of information and were not able to oversee everything that was going on clearly. Combined with an invasion where 2 cities were lost, that's quite an uneasy situation to make these decisions in.

[India (DoC)]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Well sounds like we should go for that then. The reload to 1360 sets things right, and it is then up to Russia if he decides to skip 1360 and then move first in 1365. (Or of course Russia could declare war in 1360 and then play second in 1365).

[Russia (DoC)]

as far as I know there has been a 24hr timer since the second I declared war.

Here is what happened. I logged in early in the morning, played my turn. Saw that there was 30 mins left on the timer. Ate breakfeast. Played the next turn. On that last turn I declared war, moved my forces and made attacks. With the exception of a few frigates that made no attacks, nothing of significance was moved. There was not much for you to react to. I have done nothing since that 1 turn attack.

I have no issue with loading the 1360 turn, skipping that turn and then doing everything all over again. Of course that would mean the combat rolls would be different and I'd probably lose troops I didn't lose in the first assault, but I'm willing to accept that.

[Ottoman Empire (DoC)]

Wow, baloney I haven't been in for 24hrs.

1 - Me subbing for Arabs is not private, it was posted on this forum
2- Russia, don't pretend like I didn't know about all your units, I have so much espionage on you I can see every single one of your units, cities, prod. times, etc Subbing for Arabia has given me NO advantage. Also, did you notice I accepted a free trade on behalf of Arabia with you? If I was a dishonest player would I have not declined?
3- I am not OK with the double move as I HAVEN"T EVEN LOGGED IN SINCE FINDING OUT I WAS AT WAR

The game is down and I can't do ^&(^%!

What happened to 24hr turn timer? This is the reason I joined this game, usually I queue 2 moves per day but I was worried about going to war ever. When I learned about the 24hr turn I thought, OK, that's fair. If there's no 24hr turn timer during war then I will need someone to take over for me because I cannot guarantee I will be able to move more than that.

[Orb (DoC)]

The Ottoman posted on the story thread ooc. give them more time.

[England (DoC)]

Ottomans where are you?

So let me get this, Ottos are subbing for the Arabs. That is strange when they themselves can't even take their turn.

24hrs+ no word from ottos

[Robert]

for a reoad we need to be sure that the incans are online

ottomans must appoint a sub. perhaps the arabs are planning something that should not be known to a (couple of) civ(s). that includes Rome.

[Korea (DoC)]

isnt there anyone else out there that can sub, i relay dont like the idea of one player playing two civs.


too much pwoer and info

[OzzyKP]

So basically the options are:

1. Ottomans agree that there was no benefit from the double move and the game continues on normally.

2. Ottomans feel the double move should be undone, we reload to the Incan turn, and the Russians skip their last turn before doing the amphibious invasion over again. Ottomans still don't have a chance to respond, but now all the combat rolls are done over and Russia gets a chance to raze that city.

Right?

It seems there aren't any major changes to the flow of time or of the war by going with the more active, "extreme" option of reloading. Usually people don't want to reload because it involves lost time. But sitting around waiting for the Ottomans to show up in the thread is taking far more time than a reload.

So I'd suggest we just reload, thus fixing the double-move, and then we can all get on with our lives. Russia still gets their war and neither side is advantaged or disadvantaged.

Then I'll start subbing for the Arabs.

[Korea (DoC)]

I don't feel like arguing, but actually I'm at "peace" with Byzantium at the moment-I did not even kill his puny chariot even if I could have done it any time . We are at peace in game terms, but naturally we are not at peace in character, since none of us wants peace.. or not even want to try to talk about it

you at war in game mechanics??