The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[OzzyKP]

2. Greece has indeed not been playing many turns lately. I will contact him therefore again. But he did not miss that many turns that the rules force us to do something. But at this pace we will reach that certainly. (missing ten turns in a row or missing 20 out of 25 turns)

Ah, I didn't notice this was written into the rules. He has in fact missed 20 out of the last 25 turns. So yea, the rule requires that he be kicked out of the game. He has had enough chances. Proof:

4. I completely agree with Hercules that it's certainly not good to reveal this about the Greece. I can already think about 3 different very good strategies that warrant such a number of GP. Not to mention the many possible story lines.

I'm dying to hear.

[Robert]

Ozzy, I was talking about Persia in Beyond the Pit.

Anyway, to answer your questions:
1. you are a sub for Arabia. You're not supposed to declare war. Arabia will return in a week. It's his civ.

2. Greece has indeed not been playing many turns lately. I will contact him therefore again. But he did not miss that many turns that the rules force us to do something. But at this pace we will reach that certainly. (missing ten turns in a row or missing 20 out of 25 turns)

3. I already have a possible sub for Greece. He's a game lurker who in the spirit of the game contacted me in private to be able to remain anonymous among the anonymous.

4. I completely agree with Hercules that it's certainly not good to reveal this about the Greece. I can already think about 3 different very good strategies that warrant such a number of GP. Not to mention the many possible story lines.

Let me be clear that it's not possible by game mechanics to capture a great person. He will die if you attack him. (to avoid that anybody launches a war to get the impossible)

[Hercules]

We have all noticed that the Greeks have been less active. In game, Greek's neighbours should have recognised an opportunity to invade.

However OzzyKP's description of Greece's assets (GPs) distorts the game by making it an attractive prize:

The two serious options are:

Find an acceptable replacement for Greece;

or let remaining civs colonise/invade Greece, mindful that invading civs may leave their borders exposed.

[OzzyKP]

I'm not sure if his low activity is a reason to remove him.
In former games we had like 50% of the civs that were as active as Greece.
It's mostly because everybody else is that active that it shows that he isn't.

Not true at all. As far as I can recall we've never had a civ who has been this disengaged for this long without doing something about it.

I disagree with any splitting up of civs. Just because it's not fair.
And b/c we agreed on before hand that we would not eliminate inactive civs. We did that in BtP and it created a mess.

I only remember splitting up the Incans, and I don't recall it creating a mess at all.

[Orb (DoC)]

What a player does or doesn't do with his civ is not our concern. If he is neglecting his civ then let him. Its his choice. On the other hand if someone did invade Greece I would say as long as the give Greece a chance to respond then go for it.

[OzzyKP]

Also, it seems I was mistaken, the Greeks have FIVE great people just hanging out in their cities. What bigger sign is there of a player that is neglecting his civ than doing nothing with FIVE great people. Ridiculous...

[OzzyKP]

So people don't seem to like the idea of splitting up Greece, and CS doesn't like the idea of giving them to the one sub who has volunteered to take them.

So, what would happen if, as Arabia (a similarly advanced civ with a larger military) were to invade and take a city or two? Would we pause and wait for Greece to show up? (might take a week) Would we say that wars against absentee players aren't allowed?

[Korea (DoC)]

dont tempt me ....


need tanks first i like tanks...

[OzzyKP]

Give me your army and I'll gladly fight him.

[Korea (DoC)]

Go ozzy stir him up to fight you,,, saves my butt

[Persia (DoC)]

If you are who I think you are, I beat your ass once or twice in past games.

I can't remember playing you.
You were in ladder tournaments, or just on the gamespy server?

This is interesting...

[Korea (DoC)]

i think lots of people are exploitng the rules not only of the DoC rules but the CIV4 rules.

People hav ebeen doinghtat for years they call it studying and reasearch i call it exploitation becasuse those that play for fun hacent studied the loopholes that are avaialble.

But that aside.

This game whilst lovely hosted by you Robert. is still a game tht we all make the decisins, we dont al lagree with the decisions, but we do all vote.

I call for an out or character vote on is pinchak if needed allowed to sub in this game.

[Robert]

Greece is indeed not very active. He reads the story threads though, and does play his turns, thoug he misses a lot of them as well indeed. Last time I was in contact with him he said he was enjoying it a lot but also sorry for not be able to contribute too much.

I'm not sure if his low activity is a reason to remove him.
In former games we had like 50% of the civs that were as active as Greece.
It's mostly because everybody else is that active that it shows that he isn't.

I'll contact him again and let him know that this discussion is going on.
I disagree with any splitting up of civs. Just because it's not fair.
And b/c we agreed on before hand that we would not eliminate inactive civs. We did that in BtP and it created a mess.

Regarding Pinchak.
I am sorry, but I will not let him in this game. Yes, that's a very solistic decision of me.
Pinchak is a very creative and entertaining player, but he also has an issue with exploiting rules to show how wrong the rules are. He has caused huge problems in the past. Not one, but many.

I'm the first one to give players a 2nd chance, and I will give Pinchak a 4th chance definitely, but not for this game. Next one is fine with me.

Remember that I did not want Pinchak to be in this game, to start with. But then I changed my mind after many people talking to me. And he then quitted the game during the first turn immediately.

[Korea (DoC)]

pinchakl to play greece is my vote...

[India (DoC)]

There is nothing in the rules about minimum contribution and we kinda expect that players stick to their civs no matter how well they are doing, however
if someone is no longer interested playing it's better to ask or a sub, or in a case like this splitting up a civ _may_ be an option.
I don't think that in this game it's our job or our right to decide what should happen with someone's civ, for future games we may agree on something.
If we would have the option then I'd say that Greece is no longer playing so replacement is needed.