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I reckon BtP has been pretty good on leaders dying off - not perfect but still rational. Cannot really do it at the start when Turns last 40yrs or bookkeeping would be a nightmare with tribal chiefs dropping like flies!
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peopel jsut have to ensure that if they post with a leaders name in a stroy thread it is a once off thing early in game,.
Read the early posts and you will see some leaders lived thorugh over 1000 years.
made the whole thing silly
there was posts about a meeting in Percia called by rome that had stories about going there for centuries.
by limiting story posting to real in game timeline it will reduce a lot of the posts that people dont read anyway.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Toni has come to officially sign for the next installment on this great game.Comment
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Toni, perhaps you should first join us to finish the last game before you sign up for a new one.Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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The other one is done./...
So rules that need deciding on
1. Is ANON posting the way to go.
2. Number of players
3. Who makes map.
4. Who host ( Robert Plomp has volunteered)
5. Voting system
6. Story posting, is it necessary? Boundaries/ guidlines for posting
More to comeGM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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My Opinions.Originally posted by Rasputin View Post
1. ANON is a must and needs to be observed. I thought it was silly when I joined BtP but Cyber was right. ANON saves a lot of silly personal issues getting mixed into the Game.
2. 8 or 18 makes no difference as long as long as people don't get marginalised. Even if it's Diplo you still have to be able to play Civ properly or you will get stuck in a corner
3. I don't know, but I reckon Pinchak did a pretty good job of BtP. Only quibble would be over fairness of starting positions. You could always just chuck that out the window and go for a Gigantic, Toroidal, Fractal and let the Gods decide. Maybe 3 continents and force early navies into play?
4. If he can stand it then Cyber. If not then maybe MMC?
5. Cyber's is good and fair for me. Inherited points for Subs is a poser?
6. Essential, I would even in a kill or be killed, as you need a public story-line even if it's all lies. Same thing goes as about Civ ability. It will be posted in English and not everyone has English as a 1st language. Mzproz has done brilliantly but he is Hungarian, so have Toni and Cyber but one is Bulgarian and the other is Dutch. A lot of others are American or Australian as well so things are not so easy. Capo and Cyber are graphical geniuses, not to mention Jeroen who has blown us all away with his Newspaper!
Really we do just need enthusiastic Players who are not going to be pushed aside very early and get stuck doing nothing for 6 months. From what I've seen in BtP most of the real action, hence interest and story telling, has happened on one continent. Good if you're there but tough on the rest.“Quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur”
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1. Is ANON posting the way to go.
Yes Keep Anon
2. Number of players
Indifferent to the pool of players
3. Who makes map.
Pinchak did a great job
Ozzy as well last game (Well some players were purposefully given worser start spots, that wasn't too nice Oz)
4. Who host ( Robert Plomp has volunteered)
Dutchy
5. Voting system
Like the current one, maybe we can expand a bit on it.
6. Story posting, is it necessary? Boundaries/ guidlines for posting
This is Diplo. Stories are a must, maybe some guidlines will do us good though.
What do people think about getting rid of the scores in the bottom right? This has been a major bias, that some use to weight their attitude towards a greater civ.Comment
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I think having another game with two groups of civs spread on two different continents is a bad idea. It feels like having 2 different games running at the same time. 90% of the action was going on on the bigger one, while nothing was going on on the other. If we only had those civs some how closer or even on the same land mass, the dynamics would have been outrageous.
I would prefer to have all civs start on one huge land mass and have out there some empty conts to expand later on.
P.S In the current game neither Portugal or Khmer at their military pick could influance or even wage a war successfully against the other continent. So I ask what is the point to have civs start on two far away continents.Comment
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No, it's not. The malicious attempt to gain as much as possible sub-votes to get a religious victory failed.Originally posted by Rasputin View Post
Rasputin, to be honest I have to ask you a question regarding our next game.
I do value your enthousiasm, but before you sign up for the next game you may want to explain us first why you should be in the next game. I certainly am considering a game where quiters don't have a place.
BtP has been plagued by quiters.
I'm not saying this to insult you or speak bad of you, but for the sake of our next game that's a very serious consideration for me.
How can we be sure that you won't quit again?Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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Becareful Robert, or people may ask should cheaters be admitted.
But to answer why i left, I did not quit, i just had no alternative . I attempted to put together things to do in the game but was thwarted at al lturns.
I didnt leave becasue i was not a leading civ, i never play to be the leading civ in game. I play for something to do. When it came apparent that i could not do any thing in game due to the influence of larger civs it became a waste of my time to continue playing.
BtP had plenty of oppurtuniutys to prevent the Romans winning. I left BtP because even at that early stage there was obviously onyl one possible winner. I was proved right in the end. I attemtped to get the other players to do something but the mid size players who thoguht they had a chance of winning the INGAME vicotory refused to do anything.
Eventually sometihng did occur but it was too late at that point in time and as i predicted Rome has gone on to a great victory.
The problem with Diplos continually is some players would rather come 2nd or 3rd and leave No1 alone . they wont take arisk at anything to keep the game interesting for all.
The most intereting times are when the middle ranekd civs get together and take the risk and do someting to ensure that 2 0r 3 civs dont run away with the INGAME score which is still 25% of the VOTE.
By doing this they actualyl punish the weaker civs who are trying to do their best.
So whilst you may fear my leaving the game, i fear you cheating as much as you fear me.
And yes i know you wil lvehemntly deny cheating, and many will jump to your defence.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Originally posted by Toni View Post
I hate Panagea Maps apart from one night kill or be killed Games. In truth the inactivity on Meduia was not due to geography but a refusal to challenge Khmer. If you aren't prepared to punch above your weight then nothing will ever happen. Surely the whole point of a Diplomacy based game is that you conspire and plot against the 'Big Boys' or use them for your own advantage?
I reckon 3 continents is better to reduce distances but still giving room for early game expansion. You still need mystery and the need to search and find others. Early game you don't care what is happening the other side of the World - that's history - you just want to build a solid base.
In the 2nd World War Britain could not hope to defeat Japan but could rely on Australia to halt them whilst building up forces in India. It took the US to do the job but even they had to use nukes to end it. Germany relied on Japan to attack Russia but they never did and the result was that the Siberian Army was released, Moscow never fell and the AXIS was defeated. If either Britain or France had supported Italy in 1935 Austria would never have been annexed two years later.
That's all Diplomacy. If you cannot get to your enemy then you make sure you've got friends that can.“Quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur”
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Becareful Robert, or people may ask should cheaters be admitted.
That's a good question indeed, but why should I be careful about that?
Regarding the rest of your story, if I remember correctly, you left exactly when Maya, Sparta and Piercia joined forces to attack Rome.
Anyway, I do not want to start this debate about your actions in the past game, but like I said, we had this huge quiters-problem, we should not have a repeat of this problem in the next game.
I'm not really happy with people who left the first game and start talking about the next game while the game they left is still running.
How can I be sure that they won't leave the 2nd game and immediately start talking about the 3rd game?
You guys are of course free to start a game without me, and please do so, there's room for multiple players.
But the game I will be very careful who I am going to let into the next game. Reliability, cooperative attitude and dedication to the game are important factors I seek for in players that will be in that game. I'm completely done with all the BS from BtP.
I made mistakes in BtP, especially regarding the Korea issue where I made a quick-fix I should not have made, and also when writing vague rules.
I've learned my lesson and try to improve. I have seen other players who did the same.
But there are also players who never give in an inch, they always want it 100% their way and never admit any mistake. I'm not looking for that kinda people to play with anymore.Last edited by Robert; July 15, 2009, 18:35.Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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1.Anon is always goodOriginally posted by Rasputin View Post
2.Doesn't matter
3.As long ast the map it not overly big then I don't care who makes it.
4.If RP wants the job then give it to him.
5.The one we have is ok
6.Story telling is necessary.Comment
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No Robert i left jsut prior to the war, i left when negotitaions with Capo fell over becaue he was told by someone that it was not time to have war. My troops were not allowed to cross a neutrail country t o attqack Rome so i was forced to attack my neautrla friend the wyandots, i acccidently clciked on wrong coutnry in a hurry and the nthoguht stuff it i iwll declare war on the world. But that move was disallowwed and the game reset to prior to the declartio of war as it affected open borders to omcuh and everyones Gold ws hit terbily.
but no one here is more passionate for a real DIPLO game than myself, but i am prepared to not play if others dont want me .GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Ras, Please be careful who you would call cheat.
As far as I am aware the only outrageous cheat was the very first Japan who got the Map details off Pinchak and tried to use them for gain. 2nd Japan was just silly and got caught but has apologised.
Cyber behaved like an idiot over Korea and has admitted it. Pinchak used the letter of a new rule to commit a blatant double-move. In Game Subs are always going to be a poser as who knows what you did or did not have permission to do?
As for Quitters:~ There are 2 types and need to be treated differently. All of us have R/L to deal with and a Game cannot come first. All of us are going to get a crappy start and wonder 'why bother' in SP but half the fun is trying to turn that round.
You can't win every time but you can at least try.“Quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur”
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