Possible Diplogame Mod

[The Capo]

Oh yeah, and here is a preview of some of the new religions and their symbols. These are all of the symbols I am going to use in the mod, the three I talked about in the thread before this don't work for the cities, but these are the symbols I am trying to use.

[OzzyKP]

I hate messing around with the TGA file. I spent forever trying to get it to work right in my mod. I got it. Finally. And now it isn't working again... *sigh*. It is tricky as hell.

[The Capo]

There's gotta be a specific trick to it though, somebody out there has to have it down like a clown Charlie Brown.

[The Capo]

Alright, everything is fixed and up to date with the mod. If anyone wants to try it out please PM me (at The Capo) with your e-mail address. Remember to use your normal log-in and not your pitboss log-in to maintain anonymity. The file is too big to post here and I am not releasing it to the public because I haven't given credit to the people I took things from yet, and I felt that would be in bad form. There are still more things we might add but I wanted to get this out to some people now so they can see how cool it is so far. Personally I think its ready to use but there are some more ideas floating around out there, so for now it is ready to go and I just wanted to see if anyone else agreed.

[MMC]

You know my MSN address, Capo. Send it to there.

[The Capo]

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HEY EVERYONE THE DIPLOGAME MOD IS FINISHED!!!!!

Or at least the first version is. I couldn't e-mail it like previously planned, but its ready to go, and you can download it by CLICKING HERE!


Here are a few notes and things I would like everyone to try and do;

1) Please check the civlopedia when you load the mod to make sure everything works (check all of the new leaderheads, make sure there are fourteen inquisitors with theology the religion and a cathedral as their prereqs, make sure there are missionaries for all fourteen religions, make sure there are buildings for all of the new religions, make sure the spies have the new promotions)

2) Remember to play a CUSTOM GAME and select CHOOSE RELIGIONS to see the new religions, make sure the symbols are right and look polished.

3) Make sure the Inquisitors work. You should ONLY be able to build them under the Paganism, Theocracy, and Organized Religion civics. And under Paganism and Organized REligion they require the state-religion to be present in the city AND a cathedral from that religion (under Theology they can be built without cathedrals).

4) Take time to look around, check out the new civ colors and flags, check out their new unit-styles, and city-styles. I worked hard to make this good so I want to make sure everyone is happy with it.

AGAIN CILCK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE MOD!

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[Pitboss Rome]

"And under Paganism and Theocracy they require the state-religion to be present in the city AND a cathedral from that religion (under Theology they can be built without cathedrals)."

[Pitboss Korea]

Alright, I've got to get to bed but here is a quick synopsis of the Inquisitor.

It requires Theology first.

Conditions to build the Inquisitor;

1) You are running the civic Theocracy and have a state religion. However, the state religion must be present in the city you wish to build it in.

2) You are running the Paganism or Organized Religion civic, AND have a state religion, AND that state religion is present in the city you wish to build the Inquisitor, AND you have the cathedral of that religion buit in the city you wish to build the Inquisitor

Conditions where you CAN NOT build the Inquisitor;

1) You have no state religion

2) You have a state religion, but it is not present in the city you wish to build the inquisitor in.

3) You have a state religion, AND it is present in the city you wish to build the inquisitor in BUT you are NOT running Theocracy nor is there a cathedral for your state religion in said city.

4) You are running the civics pacifism or free religion, even if you have a cathedral and a state religion which is present in the city you can NOT build the Inquisitor at all under these civics.

If this doesn't make sense I am sorry but I am very tired, if you download the mod (which everyone should, which is why I stayed up so late and posted in four threads, plus I did work hard on it and it is for the Diplogame community) you can check the civlopedia, its in there.

So again; please download this mod. Plus it is fun to play in single-player (yes the AI uses the inquisitors too) anyway, but remember to play a custom game and select the "choose religion" game option otherwise the new religions will not work. And please, try it out, try everything you can out and let me know about anything I may have overlooked. I've already noticed that, in the religious advisor screen the influence doesn't show up (when you use the new religions), but that isn't VERY important, not to me at least.

[Pitboss Korea]

sorry I just realized the typo, I'm tired as ****, I'll change the posts tomorrow.

[The Capo]

I just realized, I didn't try the game out in other languages (probably an American oversight on my part). If you play in another language and can translate French, German or Italian and you want to send me greetings for each leader (please make sure they are good) that would be helpful. I can handle the Spanish.

But I'd like requests for these first, because writing them in English was annoying enough and that is my native tongue.

[The Capo]

I also just realized that we didn't put the combat engineer promotion in yet either. But that all depends if MMC is going to make it. I'd still download it and test it out though if I were you guys, because if I were me (and I am) I would already have it on my computer.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, some comments on the mod. Take 'em or leave 'em.

Leader traits changes/suggestions:

Harun al-Rashid should absolutely be creative. So perhaps creative & imperialistic

I'm not sure how charismatic Pol Pot was. Maybe organized and aggressive instead.

Industrious fits Nebuchadrezzar very well. And since you want the alternate leaders to be different than the original, perhaps give him imperialist instead of aggressive (which hammurabi has).

I don't like Financial for Sundiata (since Mansa has that too). Maybe pick expansive or imperialist instead since he unified the empire. Organized is good.

For Tecumseh, while it doesn't apply to him personally his story can't really be told without the story of his brother who was very spiritual/religious. Tecumseh benefited greatly from the religious leadership of his brother. So I'd recommend replacing either agg or cha with spiritual. Either would work.

I think Henry the Navigator needs to be changed for mostly practical reasons. The Portuguese UB gives +1 gold on water tiles. Making Henry Financial would give an additional +1 gold on water tiles. Together with the Org trait this would be an unstoppable leader. Maybe replace Fin with Expansive. I know Joao already has this but... Fin & Org are already a common & powerful combination, they need to be broken up, and Fin should be the one to go.



Also, I got a python error on turn 58 and every turn afterwards. I think it has something to do with founding a religion. It mentions the event files and something called iShrine.

[The Capo]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Ok, some comments on the mod. Take 'em or leave 'em.

Leader traits changes/suggestions:

Harun al-Rashid should absolutely be creative. So perhaps creative & imperialistic

This is exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to hear about from everyone, I just wish it would have happened when I asked a month ago so I didn't have to remake and upload it (it took forty minutes to upload). But I do appreciate the comments. In Harun's case, I really didn't know what to give him because a lot of these traits seemed to match his reign. I chose Organized because the way he managed his empire, but Creative was another one I considered. I'll change it to Creative for the (next version).

I'm not sure how charismatic Pol Pot was. Maybe organized and aggressive instead.

Pol Pot, in my opinion, wasn't that great of a leader so I didn't want to go Organized. I only went with Charismatic because of his role as a military leader, so I am not very dead-set on keeping this. There are much better Khmer leaders I could have used, but the choice of Pol Pot was two-fold, firstly I wanted to add some bad guys to beat up on, and secondly I wanted a good leaderhead and that is a pretty good likeness of Pol Pot. While I agree that Charismatic probably isn't the best choice, I'm not sure that Organized is really either. So maybe more discussion on him is in order.

Industrious fits Nebuchadrezzar very well. And since you want the alternate leaders to be different than the original, perhaps give him imperialist instead of aggressive (which hammurabi has).

Well, I put in Philosophical for Nebby because of his role in the bible. Aggressive was done because of his military conquests, but I was trying to make them different, so maybe I'll put Philosophical and Industrious, although that combo would make him powerful with wonders. So I may go Expansive/Imperialist and Industrious instead of Philosophical. This I'd like more discussion on as well.

I don't like Financial for Sundiata (since Mansa has that too). Maybe pick expansive or imperialist instead since he unified the empire. Organized is good.

I may actually change Financial to Charismatic on this one, Sundiata had to be a little Charismatic because he was crippled and a military leader, so somehow he had to have something going on. Although, again, you are right in that I should have him differ more with Mansa.

For Tecumseh, while it doesn't apply to him personally his story can't really be told without the story of his brother who was very spiritual/religious. Tecumseh benefited greatly from the religious leadership of his brother. So I'd recommend replacing either agg or cha with spiritual. Either would work.

Hmm, this is a good point. I figured the BEST combination for him would be aggressive/protective, then I figured that is too militaristic, plus SB already has Protective. Maybe I'll put Spiritual in there, or perhaps Philosophical.

I think Henry the Navigator needs to be changed for mostly practical reasons. The Portuguese UB gives +1 gold on water tiles. Making Henry Financial would give an additional +1 gold on water tiles. Together with the Org trait this would be an unstoppable leader. Maybe replace Fin with Expansive. I know Joao already has this but... Fin & Org are already a common & powerful combination, they need to be broken up, and Fin should be the one to go.

Maybe instead of Expansive I should go with Creative, or perhaps Industrious (because he was involved with building up Portugal's navy, although this isn't really what they mean by "industrious" in this case). I was also trying to add a few more Financials around so people pick these civs, but I guess that isn't necessary.

Also, I got a python error on turn 58 and every turn afterwards. I think it has something to do with founding a religion. It mentions the event files and something called iShrine.

Hmmm, I'll look into this. I did't get any errors like this and I founded Olympic Pantheon, Christianity, and Pesedjet (as the Romans) and built shrines for all three of them. And I certainly went past 58 turns. Thanks for letting me know though.

Did the Inquisitors work properly though? And did all of the graphics show up right (ie did the flags match their buttons, and were there any animation issues with the units?) This was put out mainly to get people to try it out to make sure it worked well, and I am glad you responded so soon. MMC is planning on adding a "Combat Engineer" promotion, which Praetorians will get automatically (I think to offset this I might decrease them to 7 strength, possibly with a melee unit upgrade too or a city attack to make them more like swords).

Any other comments about the leader traits or any other issues would be appreciated, and I hope everyone else checks this out, I worked hard on this and I did it for the Diplogame community, so please help me out.

Also, it can load modules, and I might send out a module pack for this in case in the future we want to use different tribes, already in the works;

- Nubia (becuse I have a good leaderhead and I will make Pesedjet their favorite religion, Egypt is the only country that has that right now)

- Magyars, Bulgaria (for Ozzy and Toni)

- Australia (for the Austrailan guys)

- Italy

- Israel

- Mexico

- Cuba

- Champa

- Vietnam

- Swedes

- Danes

- Scots

- Poland

- Austria

But I haven't really started on any of them, and I can always think of more. But if you don't know how modules work, basically you just move the folder for the new tribe into the "modules" folder. So when you are playing single player, or even in a diplogame we can use these new tribes too.

But again, more suggestions please!

[Heraclitus]

No need for Swedes and Danse since we have Vikings
Austria is basically German and we already have the HRE and Germany

Australia? NO

Italy? Maybe, but we already have the HRE and Rome

Israel? Ok good Idea
Poland, Hungary? Good too

But it you add all of the Euro civ's you propose you are making the game too Eurocentric

Nubia is a great proposal!


Also why are you adding Cuba? I think more new world civs (even if they are European) would be a good idea. But more than 3 would be problematic, I propose:

USA
Brazil
Mexico

[Heraclitus]

Also I still think the Next War tech tree should have been added.