HOTW XII Diplogame Organization Thread. Part 2

[Diplo France]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


That is the whole point. "Successful development of your civ" has now changed. By "successful development" you mean "the fastest path to launching the ship". Which gets you some points, but not enough to ignore other objectives. The point of this system is to encourage players to look at the game holistically instead of focusing exclusively on that one goal.

If you don't take the whole game into consideration you will lose.

This is very true, some people are not wrapping their head around the concept that the denfinition of "victory" and consequently the "needs" of a civ have changed.

Originally posted by OzzyKP
And yes, people need to vote every week. Every week. It would be great if CS made regular nagging posts listing off who has and hasn't voted to remind us.

Are people not treading my posts? I suggested this some time ago. I've also suggested the Incas post the last save here.

I've also suggested that Lz or someone would do a post after each session with the number of turns done in each session. Next to the number of turns, would be a comment on who hasen't yet voted for that session.


/Example/

- Who hasn't voted yet:
Session 1 .......... 45 turns ............................. None
Session 1 ......... 110 turns ........................... Diplo France
Session 3 .......... technical difficulties

ect.

/attached last save here/

/end of example/



Also I've suggested a Cyber sends nagging emails to all the players after each session.

Also I'd like to remind Holland that Carpathia is not nesecarily a new player, and that talking like he is is a breach on anon.

[Heraclitus]

I remember how long the first two session where.

Session 1………… 145 turns
Session 2………… 130 turns

[Robert]

Also I've suggested a Cyber sends nagging emails to all the players after each session.

I'm not reading this thread on a daily / weekly base, and miss a lot of posts b/c of that.
I also don't have time / desire to put a lot of administration into a game in which I'm not even playing myself, thus sending out e-mails etc. and checking who did and did not vote is not something I'm going to do.

I just auto-collect all vote mails in a folder and I'll give them to you guys when you're done.
I'll make an update on the votes now and then, like I dus an hour ago.

I'm sorry that I can't cooperate to the fullest, but I'm sure that you guys understand that.

I'd love it btw if you will all put "Votes Session X" in the subject line, that makes it much easier for me to determine who has voted for which session

CS

[Heraclitus]

He probably fully understands that. But there is a bit of snag, no one beside you knows who voted and not. So Lz can’t make nagging posts. We don’t know how many people are voting…
heck I don’t even know which session we just played on Sunday.

[Diplo Inca]

Yes shame on the Inca

I will be going back through the postings and catch on the voting.

Sorry I will vote for all sessions - in the back of of my mind I have already voted - just need to put it down in writing.

Diplo France I will send you the last save and you posted - i tried twice but i get some kind of an error.

Also all that about keeping track of how many turns and what session we are in you can keep if you want.

[Diplo Inca]

@ Holland

About the voting you could have said that before we decided to use it in this game.

Sorry but Inca has sacrificed much just in order to get objective points - while others as you say build settlers, troops and get sweet techs. Our whole game strategy has been based on focusing on objective points. SO we will stand by this voting rule 101% for this game. Yes in Hotw7 it was neglected - but it will not be in this.

[Diplo Inca]

I will post that score table at last so players can keep track of their scores. This will also remind all that we are using this system!

[condor223]

Indeed, Russia CAN trade, more like you give Russia techs. The situation could develop that the advanced civs will discover nearly all of the techs.

For the next game, I'd suggest an era limit, meaning that a few techs per era are allowed. That would mean everyone gets something to trade as the game goes along.

[Heraclitus]

People won't accept change, don't ask me why they just don't. I think it was Diplo France who proposed a better system. But it got shot down by Carpathia.

[Diplo Mongolia]

btw. on another note. Saturday/Sunday the 22nd/23rd I will be away. most likely I'll be unable to play.

[Diplo Inca]

Thanks Mongolia for the advance note - i think we got enough time to get you a sub!

[Diplo Inca]

I guess for this upcoming session I should host again - seeing it went so smooth last week. I will host the game 15mins before reg time

[Diplo Holland]

I too will catch up on my voting for each session as per Inca.

It is true that we started this game with the Objectrive/Subjective points table being used to determine the diplo winner. I even promoted it.

But as I started to play I made game decisions, NOT on SS victory, NOR on objective points but on the strategic needs of Holland. This is organic to the changing tides of play. E.g. Mongolia and Holland fought a whole session of war, so Wonders got canned, Liberalism got canned, spreading religion got canned etc etc (hypothetically speaking - Holland wasn't thining of points at all).

I like the points system as a reflective way of assessing the game but NOT as a guide to strategic moves. Do you follow my point?

I also think that to encourage new diplo players the power diplo powers have a responsibility:

* maybe discuss Wonder limits for future rules? Holland and Inca are building most in this game due to traits and/or tech advancement

* maybe discuss the limiting of religion to two?

I'm just thinking of the new players and or those that are getting behind.

And sorry about assuming Carpathia is a new player - if I'm wrong then that's good for anon!

[Diplo Carpathia]

Hey, just to let you guys know, im still in it and all.

Although my empire is in shambles, I will post and play on.

Truth be told, I was just flat out pissed off at how badly the war went. I jumped the gun, and paid the price. I think part of it was that I was so eager for war that settler looked like a good excuse. Just wanted to shake things up a bit.

Overextended and premature were my downfalls. Believe it or not, I am actually pretty good in multiplayer (played in Rah's saturday night game for over a year before switching to HOTW12). Honestly though, the marathon setting did throw me more off target than I would have been otherwise, that was really the only Diplogame 'noob' aspect of it. I expected to be able to replenish my city defences in much less turns. I usually play on normal or quick speed in multigames.

Hats off to you Ozzy for your stomping of my defence, not that there was much of it.

As far as me not communicating, part of it was i was pissed, part was I didn't want to make any rash decisions (i think someone mentioned shock earlier?), and part of it was I was hoping another nation might decide to take advantage of Americas other fronts... but yeah, mostly just pissed off.

[Diplo Inca]

Welcome back Carpathia, great to know that you are in

Well my advice is for you guys to start negotiating a peace deal (Carpathia i strongly believe that you will get some cities back from America especially your holy city etc)