Best new leader

[McMeadows]

Originally posted by SebP
Settler production for imp. is nowhere near double speed (good thing too). Only hammers, not food is increased, and by only 50%.

That explains my observations. Usually I build settlers from cities with high food output, to slow them down in growth when they're running out happiness and healthiness.
Makes Caesar less interesting....

[Common Sensei]

Originally posted by SebP
Among the old leaders, I find Napoleon's new trait combo Organized/Charismatic quite interesting.

I played a warmongering game with him recently. Charismatic heightens the momentum of the war effort quite a bit and Organized helps prevent it from getting bogged down in cost and slowing down.

[samspock]

I voted Hannibal but I would have selected Huayna Capac if it was there. I liked him best before and still do. Removing aggressive did not make much difference since they kept the combat 1 on the Quecha and having industrious means slingshots are easy. I like being able to start a winable war the first time my initial unit happens to find a Worker

[Blaupanzer]

Originally posted by Qwertqwert
Though Tokugawa is good now too, because he was edited.

Seems Tokugawa's would be a great warmonger set of traits. Also Cyrus.

Tried Napoleon recently. The UU takes too long to come into play, isn't effective enough to break open the game. Yes, walls are useless against them, but by then only barbs in places not previously revealed are using walls. Other than that cultural defenses are doing the work anyway. Trebuchets change the game, immortals change the game, musketeers move fast enabling more effective reserve forces, but they don't change the game.

[Krill]

*shrug* Mansa is stil my favourite for flexibilty, although Hauyna, Cyrus and Lizzie are still up there at the top.

[PaganPaulwhisky]

Most of the new leaders look pretty good except for Stalin and Ramesses. I would say that Wang Kon and Mehmed stand out above the rest because of their UU and great traits. My vote goes to Mehmed because he has my favorite trait combo.

Gandhi, Xerxes, and Napolean look to be much improved as far as the old leaders go. And of course Caesar is still awesome (but not quite as good as before). Washington, Catherine, and Qin have been severly downgraded and now look to be among the worst leaders in the game. Should be interesting.

[Qwertqwert]

Originally posted by PaganPaulwhisky
Most of the new leaders look pretty good except for Stalin and Ramesses. I would say that Wang Kon and Mehmed stand out above the rest because of their UU and great traits. My vote goes to Mehmed because he has my favorite trait combo.

Gandhi, Xerxes, and Napolean look to be much improved as far as the old leaders go. And of course Caesar is still awesome (but not quite as good as before). Washington, Catherine, and Qin have been severly downgraded and now look to be among the worst leaders in the game. Should be interesting.

Xerxes?

[PaganPaulwhisky]

LOL, got confused with old civ. I meant Cyrus of course.

[Generaldoktor]

Funny how opinions can differ. I just got done saying on another thread that Qin now seems to be a builder's friend. With Industrious, I locked up Oracle and appear to still be able to lock up Great Wall. I'm playing Highlands/Noble with "Raging Barbs" and with the Wall, the ragers go to everybody else. My archers got a promotion early from the Protective trait and the individual city walls went up fast too.

Now I sit in my castle, (as Qin,) and spew out settlers, Wonders and GP. Sounds good to me!

BTW QQ, I also said on the other thread Gandhi had been nerfed. Now that I look at it, Philo civs seem to do well and he still has the good starting techs and the Fast Worker. (But some hate that as a UU.) I guess I'm just hung up on Industrious, (which others also significantly hate.)

There is also somebody on another thread who swears by Stalin.

As I said, isn't it funny how our opinions differ? Well, it shows its a good game if it allows styles varied enough that one man's meat is another man's poison.

[One_more_turn]

Napoleon can finally do some damage now.

Organized leaders are all very good. It's hard to say who is the best among them. Napoleon and Frederick seem to have the best trait combos, but they don't have good UUs. I still consider Romans to have the best traits and UU combinations.

[Qwertqwert]

I recently played Hannibal and I've got to say he's also very good. I already voted Churchill but I'll say it's close between him and Hannibal.

[Adagio]

I don't have any favorites, there are no new female leaders

[Generaldoktor]

Originally posted by One_more_turn
Napoleon can finally do some damage now.

Organized leaders are all very good. It's hard to say who is the best among them. Napoleon and Frederick seem to have the best trait combos, but they don't have good UUs. I still consider Romans to have the best traits and UU combinations.

Isn't it funny how our opinions differ? (Reprise.)

I had some great games with Boney as Aggressive/Industrious. In the best one, I formed castle, (perhaps fearing the rumors he wouldn't "do some damage," locked up a bunch of Wonders and then broke out. I didn't even depend on the musketeers, (though they were nice for scouting/pillage; ) just built some forges and ground out first axemen, then macemen, then riflemen. By the time infantry came around, I pretty much had the game locked up, (for domination.)

Organized works if you have and need, a big empire. Otherwise, it's worth is, to be polite, highly questionable. At various points, I have tried to pursue a GP/Wonder/Builder strategy with Asoka, as I would with the old Gandhi. (I like Fast Workers, you see, though many don't; I also have some real questions about the utility of the new Gandhi.) Asoka just never worked out for me, Organized wasn't doing it. Ironically, when he's on his own, as an AI. Asoka in my games always seems to get a big, high-tech empire fast. Not sure how he does it. Should spend more time in World Builder I guess, trying to find out. I wouldn't blanket condemn Organized as a trait, but I could surely do stuff with the old Napoleon.

[Will9]

Whenever I play as Asoka I get board by the classical era. Once I got stuck between Ceaser, Monty, Napoleon, and Isabella with Alex and Cyrus not to far away.

[Willem]

Originally posted by McMeadows
With new traits most 'old' leaders also have different traits. Caesar has an interesting combo:
setllers at double speed & 50% maintenance.
However, I doubt if the first trait really works...

Oh it does. I played Caesar for awhile and I was able to pump out Settlers like they were rabbits. My empire grew twice as fast as everyone else.