Civ4: Omega Expansion

[Alexander I]

Well, with Warlords about to come out and an inevitable second expansion probably already in the planning stage, now is the time for we fans to make out voices heard. I propose we send a petition of things to add/change in the game through a second expansion, fan codenamed "Omega" for easy reference.

Feel free to post any ideas for the 2nd expansion. I plan on updating this list as new ideas are presented, new information is obtained, and when Warlords is released.

Items included here are not to be considered set in stone, rather as suggestions. I hope that in time we can solidify a formal list to submit.

New Civs
*Babylon - Hammurabi: Imp/Phi or Nebuchadnezzar: Agg/Org?, UU - Chaldean?, UB - Ziggurat
Hebrews - David: Cre/Fin, UU - Slinger/Zealot, UB - ?
Mayans - Pacal: Cha/Ind, UU - Javelinman?, UB - ?
Khmer - Jayavarman?: Cre/Phi, UU - ?, UB - ?
Byzantines - Theodora/Justinian?: Imp/Pro, UU - Cataphract, UB - ?
Dutch - William of Orange: Fin/Org, UU - Fluyt, UB - ?
or
Sumerians - Gilgamesh: ?, UU - Vulture, UB - ?
Iroquois - Hiawatha?
Portuguese - Joao?
Ethiopians - Haile Selassie?
Sioux -Sitting Bull
Minoans - Minos
Hittites - Mursilis
Assyrians - Assurbanipal

Sheesh.

New Leaders - Most Popular
Abe Lincoln (America): Phi/Pro - because who really likes playing FDR anyway?
Pericles (Greece): Ind/Phi - because Greece deserves a less aggresive, more cultured side
Meiji (Japan): Cha/Cre - and Japan does too.
Darius (Persia): Org/Pro

New Leaders - Runners-Up
Boudicca (Celts)
Harun al-Raschid (Arabs)
Philip II (Spain)
Suleiman (Turks)

A 2nd leader for each civ that doesn't already have one?

New Wonders
Temple of Heaven - must have a Temple, doubles its effectiveness?
Machu Picchu - must be next to mountain, increases science and culture in city by 25%?
Inquisition - ?
Alhambra - free monasteries?
Krak des Chevaliers - +50% defense, can bombard attacking enemies at location?
Mausoleum
East India Trading Company
Leonardo's Workshop (it's back!) - upgrades units! (maybe only in that city)
Statue of Zeus (not like in C3C)
Knights Templar (" " " ") - Trade bonuses? A bank in every city? Military?

New Units/Techs/Buildings
Partisan - insurgent guerilla unit
Fanatics/Zealots - only available in Holy War
Dragoon - middle cavalry
Dreadnaught - middle sailing ship
Bombard - inaccurate early cannon
Nuclear Sub
Paratrooper
Cruiser
Howitzer
Early Horseman/Mounted Scout?
Cruise Missiles
Privateers
Aegis Cruisers

New Scenarios/Mods
Post-Apocalypse
Feudal Japan
Dinosaurs
Midgard?
WWII (Whole World)
Dark Age Britain/Ireland
Silk Road
European Colonialism/Imperialism
Atlantis
Napoleonic Wars
Master of Magic

New Technologies
Holy War
Jurisprudence
Theory of Gravity

New Features
Holy War
SMAC-style UN!
Alliances other than Def. Pact and Perm. All.
Colossal Map Size
Advisors Return from Civ2!
Civil Wars/Rebellions (a la Civ2 style)
Economic "Civil War"
Scenario Specific Film Clips?
"Caveman" Start, Prehistoric Era
Civ. Construction Set
Better, Easier Scenario Making - an Editor?
Diaspora
Tech Diffusion
Tech Stealing
Military Resources
Better Trade
Better Infrastructure
Better Spies
Random Traits/Uniques Start
Cold War
Non-Aggression Pact

Gameplay Fixes
Better/More Modern Units
Remove Illogical Civ AI actions (ex. war declaration when weak and without purpose)
Mulitple Civ Perm. Alliance (maybe for large+ maps only?)
Preservation of culture after civ is destroyed (no more ethnic cleansing, unless a choice is made?)
Active Resistance after Conquest
Auto-upgrades
Military Upgrades on Tech Tree

[LordShiva]

Babylon shouldn't be in

But seriously, don't sign this petition

Instead, sign the "Stop the Civ and Leader Spam " petition. Use Firaxis' manpower to come up with better mods, scenarios, concepts and units instead

[Nugog]

Well I was kinda hoping for the Super Praetorian, complete with lasers, jet backpacks and titanium body armour...................

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Babylon shouldn't be in

But seriously, don't sign this petition

Instead, sign the "Stop the Civ and Leader Spam " petition. Use Firaxis' manpower to come up with better mods, scenarios, concepts and units instead

I resent that.

[Alexander I]

Re: Civ4: Omega Expansion

[Accidental Double Post]

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Alexander01


I resent that.

Maybe the tone...............

But I agree that cIV needs more of the in game stuff, rather than the (IMO) window dressing of more leaders and more "CIVs".

I would like to see more units (not just military), more techs, and a more diverse tech tree.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by nugog

I would like to see more units (not just military), more techs, and a more diverse tech tree.

So go ahead and post some suggestions. That's the purpose of this thread.

[Qwertqwert]

I want a new game system.

1. I am thinking of a leader transfer system, in which you start with some generic boaring leader, but at a certin year when a famous real life leader for that civilization comes up (like if you're America, in 1776 Washingtom comes up, and you can switch to him instead) and there would be new advantages and disadvantages. This would allow some sort of leader succession, but without making it happen constantly.

2. Rebellion system. In which cities with unhappy people have a chance to go into protest. This is completly seperate for cultural protest things. The more unhappiness the more likely of a rebellion. The city is shut down for some time, and you have a few options of what to do to take care of it, and maybe new ones open up and close with different civics. For instance, you could choose to kill all protesters but that adds unhappiness and you loose population, but the rebellion ceases immeadiatly. Or you could pay them to stop protesting, which costs gold and might not work, but if it does there's no more unhappiness penelty. There should be a few more options and an option to do nothing and see if it just dies out. But if it lasts for a certin amount of time then the city goes into complete anarchy in which all stationed units die, and the city is turned to ruins. Or if there are multipul cities all in rebellion nearby (even if from different nations) they could form a new nation (with the name "New Nation" or something like that, and a random personality leader)

[Son of David]

Looks like some pretty good suggestions.

Only other thing I would add is that I'd quite like to see a proper, official World War II scenario with custom-designed leaderheads, units etc.

Oh, and scenario-specific movies would be pretty nice!

[Alexander I]

Here's a chart I made showing available civ traits with some exp. suggestions.

[phlucas]

Re: Civ4: Omega Expansion

Originally posted by Alexander01
New Wonders
Valley of the Kings
Temple of Heaven
Machu Picchu
Alhambra
Krak des Chevaliers
Mausoleum
Statue of Zeus (if not in Warlords, and not like in C3C)

Mausoleum, Valley of the Kings and Statue of Zeus are all wonders of the Ancient Age. There are so many to build as it stands, with the Temple of Artemis and the Great Wall added in Warlords; I prefer more wonders in the Taj Mahal/Statue of Liberty era.

I guess the other wonders on your list would become available with Medieval/Rennaisance techs, based on their original creation date, which is nice.

[Alexander I]

Re: Re: Civ4: Omega Expansion

Originally posted by phlucas
I prefer more wonders in the Taj Mahal/Statue of Liberty era.

Any suggestions are welcome. I would've added more if I could think of them.

Also: Does anybody have suggestions for what the new wonder ideas could do?

[Alexander I]

Re: Civ4: Omega Expansion

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[Alexander I]

Re: Civ4: Omega Expansion

[I keep hitting reply instead of edit, like an idiot. Sorry. ]

[johnmcd]

In the same way that warfare seems to be getting an overhaul in the expansion I'd like to see trade and exploration overhauled in any further expansion. I still think it's absurd that in civ-world a scout can walk from Lisbon to Seoul in 200BC and report back usefully on everything he's seen. And then, once sailing is invented the civ can start freely trading with Cape Town and Oslo, never even having heard of them.

I know unit supply is somewhere the game has never gone before, but I would like to see some sort of cap on early exploration and trade, the earliest game at the moment is about slapping down key city sites and not much more. After that, the warring players start to take a few town and the builders start to build a few buildings, but you can fairly fly through the years to 4000bc with little deviation from your 'normal' build queue.

I'd really like to see the creation of trade routes as part of that early game as a conscious effort, I know that building roads is already in there as part of it, but that never reaches anything like the importance of a silk road or the like.

A medieval tech might remove the supply considerations so that by the time there are large numbers of units the micro management of that has gone. But it would keep the wonder of exploration alive for longer and make colony cities (a long feature of civilisations) something to consider.

Dunno how it would work, but trade is surely the biggest element in mans rise over the 6000 years of the game and it's about the only part of it which the player has no real say in.