Civ4: Omega Expansion

[Dis]

new units: partisan- good idea. I like it.
Lt. bomber
nuclear submarine.
paratroopers
cruisers and modern cruisers
howitzers (upgrade to artillery- and have artillery come eariler)

new leader for Germany. Adolf Hitler

[johnmcd]

Partisans should deffo be in there. It would be nice if their generation was linked to towns, or culture, or something that wasn't 'war' based.

Also, if they are generated for free, they should vanish when peace is made.

[LordShiva]

Too many wonders to build as it is

No more wonder spam



But

Super praetorian

Mother of all WW2 scenarios

[samspock]

How about this: The Civilization Construction Set.

You get to build your leader by traits, UU and UB!

For the UU you would select an existing unit to replace and it would give you a number of options to augment it from thinks like 100% versus something to extra strength, movement, remove needed resource and that sort of thing. Obviously it would be limited so that you could not make something totally un-beatable. An example would be you could select to replace axemen with something that does not require Copper but has -1 strength but otherwise the same.

Something similar for Unique buildings though I don't know anything about how they work now so not sure what that would be.

This would allow people to have their favorite missing civ. Perhaps allow them to save it and include it among the ai playable ones.

That would end the endless leader spam.

[johnmcd]

That would be pretty cool, the build your own civ idea.

Especially if it came with a sort of playset of ears and eyes and mouths and hats you could stick together to make their face out of.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Too many wonders to build as it is
No more wonder spam

But
Super praetorian
Mother of all WW2 scenarios

And you accuse me of spamming?

Stop the anti-me spam and the super-praetorian spam!
I get the feeling that you'll accuse me of spam no matter what.

On another note, does anyone have more suggestions for gameplay fixes?

[ArchdukeNewell]

Re: Civ4: Omega Expansion

Originally posted by Alexander01

Byzantines - Theodora/Justinian?: Imp/Pro, UU - Cataphract, UB - ?

Definitely Justinian. What did Theodora ever do, really? It was so irritating to have her and not him in C3C!

[Arrian]

Build your own civ/leader

Absolutely.

Better scenario making tools too.

-Arrian

[Will9]

Why do people think Theadora would be good leader. One of the requirments of being a cIV leader is that they had to lead a nation. Justian would be a great leader. He retook most of the Western Roman Empire. He would probalbly be Imp, Phi. I belive Constintine or Trajan should be in the game. If David is put in the game he should be Spr, Pro. His UU should be light infantry. They would replace spearman. Since they are lightly armed they would not require copper, so they just require hunting, but would have a strength of 3. Also they wouldn't pay attention to enemy terrian bonuses and they would only get +50% against muonted in exchange for +50% against melee. Light infantry would make David a killer in the early game.

Also what about being able to conquer a nation then take some of the cities and make them a permanit vassal. The leader would take a random personality and your UU and UB. The nation would be frindly to you, since you gave them freedom. The disadvantage to this would be that they wouldn't take as much abuse as a regular vassal.

[Thedrin]

I've been told that multiple permanent alliances were available in the prepatched CivIV but were removed because they were overly powerful. I have played games on large maps where my good relations with a couple of other civilizations would have led to immeadiate domination victories had I been able to make multiple permanent alliances.

I disagree with having CivII style civil wars.

But I'm in favour of having economic civil wars - clusters of cities that pay large amounts in maintenance (relative to their income, maybe) declaring independence. This could be off set by building the Forbidden Palace, Versailles or a possible third way mentioned below.

If ethnic cleansing could be removed from the game - the event which occurs when a civilization is wiped out so that there is no longer any trace among city populations of that civ having ever existed - then city clusters in the above situation could breakaway based on their ethnicities.

An alternative way of preventing civil war would be to grant independence as a vassel state to a group of cities that you already own. New civs formed in this manner could be set to have a positive modifiers towards the parent civ and not view the state of vasselage as an afront to their pride (or at least not view it as such for a long time).

I'd also like to know if diasporas can be simulated. Say, Gandhi goes on the warpath through Genghis's territory razing all of his cities. Would it be possible to have, say, 25% - 50% of a razed citys population appear in other cities belonging to Genghis, the cities of civs which share a border (that is open) with Genghis, or the cities which the razed city had trade routes with?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Arrian
Build your own civ/leader
Absolutely.
Better scenario making tools too.
-Arrian

I second that. I've had so many scenario ideas that I haven't made because I just didn't have the time to sit around editing files all day (and I don't speak their Python language...)

Bring on a scenario editor like in Civ2's expansion (but more complex). That might quench the massive scenario demand a bit, by allowing people to more easily make their own. Firaxis doesn't have to make all of them for us, folks...

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Will9
If David is put in the game he should be Spr, Pro. His UU should be light infantry. ... Light infantry would make David a killer in the early game.

Saladin is already Spi/Pro. Maybe David could be Cre/Pro, though. That's what I selected for a potential Solomon on my updated chart.

Light infantry is a good idea. I think Slingers could serve a similar function, though.

Imp/Phi is a good idea for Justinian. I had that slated for Harun al-Raschid or Hammurabi, but it's a good combo for any "enlightened" emperor. Could work for Constantine or Marcus Aurelius too.

Attached: Updated chart.

[Thedrin]

Originally posted by Will9 Also what about being able to conquer a nation then take some of the cities and make them a permanit vassal. The leader would take a random personality and your UU and UB. The nation would be frindly to you, since you gave them freedom. The disadvantage to this would be that they wouldn't take as much abuse as a regular vassal.

Being a permanent vassel would mean taking more abuse, not less, than a non permanent vassel.

[DrSpike]

I'll hold judgement till after Warlords but I kinda hope there wont be another expansion. I'm just not sure what they can add that is worthwhile without changing the game substantially. And changing gameplay elements substantially can wait till Civ5. I wouldn't like to see a repeat of the "C3C break a decent game with the x-pack" phenomenon.

[johnmcd]

If the Jewish people became a civ then the status of the religion in the game would surely have to change. Given the relationship between the two is complete, it's not like France and Christianity or Arabs and Islam.

I'd like diaspora populations too. Or leave in a Total War like device of 'kill them all' through to 'just occupy it' so you can control to some extent the strength of the diaspora and the residual unhappiness. Perhaps also the appearance of partisans.