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  • #76
    Originally posted by DarkCloud

    But if that's true, then why build them in response to Alexander? To show that they were greater than foreign devils?
    I doubt that there was no depiction of the Buddha pre-Alexander, but time and decay and deliberate iconoclasm may have played part in the destruction of a great many Buddhist images.

    I suspect that the Hellenized images of Buddha were more part and parcel of a Greek response to combatting the Achaemenid Empire. The Iranian Achaemenids ruled over a very heterogeneous gaggle of peoples, from the sophisticated Greek city state dwellers in the Mediterranean, to the nomad steppe dwelling horsemen to the north, the relatively primitive peoples on Persian Gulf (some of whom were the Asian equivalent of pygmies) and the various different peoples Afghanistan, northern India, and the Fertile Crescent.

    Many languages, different religions, different ways of life, but one ruler, so the image became important to the Achaemenids, to show who was powerful and how tribute should be paid.

    Alexander's response was to issue coinage with his image, and art with his image- a counter propaganda war when he succeeded and outstripped the bounds of the Achaemenid Empire.

    Successor states to the Seleucid Empire in Afghanistan and India produced a hybrid Hellenized Indian art and culture- the Gandhara style of sculpture fuses Indian religion with Greek & Indian techniques in stonework.

    On early Buddhist iconography:

    Putting The Ocean in a Bowl - The Origin of the Buddha Image : This article describes the origins and the subsequent changes in the depiction of gautam Buddha in artform and religion. It talks about t



    From Macedonian Egypt to China's ocean strand:

    " Although the art and practices of the heretical Armana dynasty were later suppressed in Egypt, a more naturalistic styling in painting and sculpture persisted throughout the following New Kingdom dynasties and on into the time when Alexander became the first Greek pharaoh. It is purely this author’s speculation that a style originating in the Nile Valley in 1358 BC may have penetrated as far as the Pacific shore of China 1,800 years later. "

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    • #77
      The physical depictions of the Buddha before the arrival of Alexander tended to be pure symbolism, understood expressions of his transcendence through symbols like the wheel. Although this is speculation, one could perhaps see it initially as a reaction against Hindu iconography, which of course survives as highly stylized and elaborate gods. Alexander's campaigns and the subsequent centuries of Hellenization brought the ideas of a more "natural" -- though of course highly idealized -- way of showing the human body in art.
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      • #78
        The Greek successor kingdom in Bactria converted to Buddhism. Their king, Menander is renowned for his impact on Buddhism in that region.
        The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
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        • #79
          In pretty short order it won't matter what nations made it into the game, mods can easily generate dozens of their favourites. The irritating part will be not having the right talking head for your national leader.

          I'm surprised they would consider leaving out the Greeks, especially since Alexander is such a famous historical personality.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Grumbold
            In pretty short order it won't matter what nations made it into the game, mods can easily generate dozens of their favourites. The irritating part will be not having the right talking head for your national leader.

            I'm surprised they would consider leaving out the Greeks, especially since Alexander is such a famous historical personality.
            Yes, I agree. As easy as it is to mod, I do prefer game aspects that are actually dev-made. Seeing as how lots of user mods are very poor quality and all...
            The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
            "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
            "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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            • #81
              Hm, I think it is time someone from Firaxis to tell us the truth: are the Greeks in the game?

              This lack of real info is just starting to scare me.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Alex
                Hm, I think it is time someone from Firaxis to tell us the truth: are the Greeks in the game?

                This lack of real info is just starting to scare me.
                No kidding! I'd like some closure, a confirmation one way or the other!
                The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                • #83
                  :troll:
                  Bah, the Greeks never did anything for culture or history or anything

                  :waits for flame war:

                  (p.s.: I'm just kidding)
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Ninot
                    :troll:
                    Bah, the Greeks never did anything for culture or history or anything

                    :waits for flame war:

                    (p.s.: I'm just kidding)
                    Argh! Brain... exploding...
                    The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                    "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                    "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Ninot
                      :troll:
                      Bah, the Greeks never did anything for culture or history or anything

                      :waits for flame war:

                      (p.s.: I'm just kidding)
                      banned![/markg]

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                      • #86
                        *gasp* Mark's DL is Kuci!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Nikolai
                          *gasp* Mark's DL is Kuci!

                          I would never have guessed!

                          And if you believe that, I'm Sid Meier in disguise!
                          The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                          "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                          "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                          • #88
                            Don't try me. yin is Sid.
                            Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
                            I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made - Psalms 139.14a
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Nikolai
                              Don't try me. yin is Sid.
                              How do I know YOU'RE not Sid?!!!
                              The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                              "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                              "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
                              The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action Report

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                              • #90
                                And I'm the Queen of Idaho.

                                Back on topic

                                If the Greeks were left out for whatever reason/blunder, would it cause anyone not to buy the game? or would everyone trudge on and wait for the mod?
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