Civilization IV Civs

[Veroporo]

Who is micromanagering the game after 1700 anyway? =)

And yes, want to see americans in the game - how else could I moan about that they are in!

[Nikolai]

The world's first jet plane was built by Nazi-Germany, although Hitler decided to use those excellent fighters as bombers.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


And it probably means that your sources are wrong. There's only slightly less chance of having the Greeks in than the Americans.

My source is Locutus, but he could be wrong I suppose... The omitting of the greeks does sound more than a bit strange...

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Nikolai
The world's first jet plane was built by Nazi-Germany, although Hitler decided to use those excellent fighters as bombers.

Ah, yes the Me-262. Properly used these planes could have seriously hampered the allied war effort. But what can you expect from a meddling nutcase such as Hitler?

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Nikolai
The world's first jet plane was built by Nazi-Germany, although Hitler decided to use those excellent fighters as bombers.

Actually, the Germans did use those as fighters. But they had very few planes, and there was too little fuel for the ones that were there (remember it was special fuel). So, while terridic for the enemy when they showed up, the Me-262 had little relevance to the outcome of the war. Superior numbers won.

[SSBLoveU]

I work best leading seafaring and scientific civilizations.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Modo44

Actually, the Germans did use those as fighters. But they had very few planes, and there was too little fuel for the ones that were there (remember it was special fuel). So, while terridic for the enemy when they showed up, the Me-262 had little relevance to the outcome of the war. Superior numbers won.

True, after the allied bombings of the Ploiesti oil fields in Romania, Germanys main supplier of oil, there was a serious shortage. But even when they were in the air, they had problems. Flown as they were by inexperienced pilots. Not to mention they were basically sitting ducks during take off, due to the slow start of the engines. They were also forced to use only concrete runways, since the jet flame melted the asphalt runways...

[GeoModder]

Inexperienced pilots? Why would that be surprising? 't Was a prototype. And tell me a plane that isn't a sitting duck at take off.

[curtsibling]

I would argue that while desperate designs like the He162
were indeed flown by rookie hitler youth cannon fodder,
the Me262 was actually flown by some of the most deadly
aces of the German airforces. But by 1944-45 this plane
made precious little difference overall.

[Kuciwalker]

This is slightly off-topic.

[Zoid]

Only slightly...

And by 1944 the Me262 was no longer a prototype. It had been developed since 1939, and was by 1944 a fully fledged jet fighter. And as far as the inexperienced pilots go it´s true that there were a bunch of fighter aces flying but many of Luftwaffes aces had been killed or captured during the war. Thus inexperienced pilots had to fly the Me 262 and flying an aircraft with performance greater than any operated before would have been a challenge even to more professional aviators.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by GeoModder
And tell me a plane that isn't a sitting duck at take off.

But this plane was even more so, since the jet engines needed more warm up time than the propeller driven Me 109s for instance.

[GeoModder]

Was there a reason that this warming up couldn't happen in it's hangar (or shelter, or whatever they used at that stage to avoid easy detection by allied patrols)?

[Alexander I]

You know, considering how omnipresent the Greeks are in other games of the genre, it's rather strange that they wouldn't be in Civ4.

The Greeks are like the quintessential Civ! In fact, my bet is that the Incans are NOT in, and that the Greeks definitely ARE.

Ach! Controversy!

[Alexander I]

Some Theorized Leaders:

Arabs: Abu Bakr, Omar, not Muhammad (Muslim Blasphemy?)
Babylonians: Hammurabi or Nebuchadnezzar
Egyptians: Ramses (in addition to Hatshepsut?)
Greeks: Alexander, Pericles
Incans: Atahualpa or Pachacuti
Russians; Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Lenin or Stalin
Spanish: Isabella, Ferdinand, Philip II or El Cid?


and who the heck would the Malinese have???