Civilization IV Civs

[lockstep]

I suppose that the Greeks are in, and that either the Arabs or the Spanish were dropped (and saved for expansion packs).

[Alexander I]

I agree that if the playability is poor quality that it won't matter what civs are in the game, however...

Here's the tentative Civ4 list again, with * indicating which civs I think may be dropped or held for an expansion.

Americans
*Arabs
Aztecs
Babylonians
Chinese
Egyptians
English
French
Germans
*Incans
Indians
Japanese
Malinese
*Mongols
Persians
Romans
Russians
*Spanish

The list is currently top-heavy on medieval/modern European civs too.

5 medieval/modern Europe (England, France, Germany, Russia, Spain)
1 ancient Europe (Rome)
3 ancient Near East (Egypt, Babylon, Persia)
2 Mesoamerica (Aztecs, Incans)
4 Far East Asia (China, Japan, India, Mongolia)
1 Modern America (USA)
1 medieval/modern Near East (Arabia)
1 sub-Saharan Africa (Mali)

[Remulak]

Isn't Egypt in Africa? How about Carthage? Do we need a sub-saharan African nation?

[Alexander I]

Carthage and Egypt were both quasi-Semitic nations.
Carthage was a Phoenician colony. Neither one was "black" per say. They may have been darker than the average Nordic person, like when you compare Arabs with Danes, but certainly not black.

Mali, on the other hand, was right in the heart of "Black Africa" (is there a more appropriate term for this? It doesn't exactly sound PC, as if anyone REALLY cared about being PC.)

There are 3 very basic, perhaps overally generic "races" in the human race:

Caucasoid - Europe
Negroid - Africa
Mongoloid - Asia

Firaxis doesn't want to ignore a third of mankind, so they always have at least one black civ, because a game that purports to be an overall basic survey of world civs would be complete without them.

[Kuciwalker]

There are actually 5, 2 others in Africa.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
There are actually 5, 2 others in Africa.

Which post are you referring to?

[Kuciwalker]

The one directly above mine.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The one directly above mine.

So what other 2 are you referring to? The Australoids and Capoids? The Australoids are Pacific Islanders and Australian aborigines and the Capoids are southwest African bushmen.

I'm sure Firaxis would put them in Civ if they had ever formed "civilizations" per say before most of them were conquered by imperialists.

[Modo44]

@Adagio

My comment about me not being an American was meant a bit different than what you apparently thought. As others already noted, this is a marketing choice. The USA is the biggest market, so leaving that civ out of the game is hardly an option. Regardless of "hardcore" players' opinions, really.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Alexander01
So what other 2 are you referring to? The Australoids and Capoids? The Australoids are Pacific Islanders and Australian aborigines and the Capoids are southwest African bushmen.

I said both were African. There are 3 races in Africa - IIRC negroid, pygmy, and one other.

I'm sure Firaxis would put them in Civ if they had ever formed "civilizations" per say before most of them were conquered by imperialists.

What made you think I suggested that they be included as civs, or have civs representing them?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

I said both were African. There are 3 races in Africa - IIRC negroid, pygmy, and one other.

So the pygmy were the race that I didn't think of. Thanks.

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

What made you think I suggested that they be included as civs, or have civs representing them?

I didn't. I was just making a facetious remark about Firaxis that had nothing to do with you. I'm not trying to antagonize you.

[Novaya Havoc]

The list I'm hoping to see in Civ4:

1. America
2. Arabia
3. Assyria
4. Aztec
5. China
6. Egypt
7. England
8. France
9. Germany
10. Greece
11. Inca
12. India
13. Maya
14. Mali
15. Persia
16. Rome
17. Russia
18. Spain


EXPANSION:

1. Kampuchea
2. Mongolia
3. Ethiopia
4. Carthage
5. Iroquois
6. Scandinavia
7. Korea
8. Netherlands

-Ben

[Alexander I]

Well, as much as I would like to see an Assyrian Civ, I think it's pretty much a lost cause on this series. Sumerians and Hittites made it into Civ when Assyria didn't. Sad.

And I also doubt that Kampuchea (Cambodia) will make it in. Oh, well.

Other than that, your suggestions are reasonable, though I would prefer some additional civs to the ones you suggested.

[Novaya Havoc]

I think Assyria has been bypassed because Babylon stands in for Assyria. Heck, Ashurbanipal is one of the Babs' "Great Leaders" in Civ3.

I would rather see Assyria replace Babylon, personally. Shake things up a bit. My boyfriend is Assyrian, so maybe I'm a bit biased.

[Alexander I]

Assyria ruled a greater territory for a longer period of time, but the Judeo-Christian heritage has made Babylon more famous for its two empires (Hammurabi's and Nebuchadnezzar's), Hanging Gardens, Tower of Babel, etc.

I wouldn't mind having them both, but if it came down to a choice, I think Firaxis will always choose Babylon.