What's in Civ4. Just the facts, ma'am! (2nd edition)

[TechWins]

Originally posted by Spiffor
However, in terms of sheer power, wealth and prestige, I think the Mali are far above the Ethiopians.

Your explanation suits me well enough.


To achieve geographical balance Mali would fit better too.

[Xorbon]

Originally posted by Myrddin
Did they think that an Arab civilisation with Jewish religion might just be pushing the boundaries too far?

There is such a thing as Arab Jews, just as there are Arab Christians. It just appens that Arab Muslims are (by far ) the majority.

Anyway, if any civ got 'axed', I would (reluctantly) pick the Aztecs. I hope the reports of just 18 civs are wrong though.

As far as Ethiopia vs. Mali, I personally like the fact that they chose Mali. That being said, I think it's a toss up as far as which one deserves to be in the game more.

[axi]

Did I read somewherein this thread that, having some technology enables you to build The Parthenon?

How can this be if the Greeks are not included?

[Locutus]

Originally posted by axi
Did I read somewherein this thread that, having some technology enables you to build The Parthenon?

How can this be if the Greeks are not included?

You know, people use that line of reasoning quite a lot ('Israel must be in because Judaism is', etc) -- but WHY? I mean, it's not like, if the Parthenon is a Wonder, the Greeks are the only ones who can build it... In fact, most of the time they probably won't. How many games of Civ haven't there been played in the past 15 years where the English built the Great Wall or the Zulu built the Manhatan Program? Isn't that what civ is all about, alternative history?

Copernicus' Observatory has been in every Civ game to date, yet where are the Polish as a civ? Magellan with his Voyage was Portuguese, yet I don't see them in the game. There's the Michelangelo/Sistine Chapel but no Italians. Women's Suffrage was first granted in New Zealand, yet not a single civ from that region has ever featured in Civ...


I don't know whether or not the Greeks are in Civ4 -- I sure hope they are -- but that line of reasoning makes no sense...

[Robert]

Ok, I always thought the civ "Great Wall" was not Hadrians wall but the chinese great wall......

may be me..

[Locutus]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Ok, I always thought the civ "Great Wall" was not Hadrians wall but the chinese great wall......

may be me..

That's exactly my point: it's a Chinese wonder but often it was not the Chinese civ which built it but someone else, like the English...


BTW, I updated the new version of the thread to show my progress. Probably one or two more days before I'm done, depending on how much time I'll have this weekend...

[Robert]

Ah, I thought you meant it more like: "Hadrians wall isn't build by the english in every game! so the parthenon doesn't need Greece to be build"

both versions of the story appear to be valid

[Xorbon]

Originally posted by Locutus
Magellan with his Voyage was Portuguese, yet I don't see them in the game.

Have you not played Civ 3 Conquests?

Anyway, I agree with your point. Just because a civilization/nation isn't in the game, it doesn't mean their wonders can't be.

[DeepO]

Great work Locutus!

DeepO

[Boris Godunov]

Hmmm, I can't imagine the Greeks or Babylonians being in. They are as quintessential to civ as the English, Germans, Russians, Romans, etc. So my hunch is that some other civ got dropped, if indeed there are only 18. Perhaps the Arabs or Incas.

[axi]

If the greeks aren't in, then what is the early defensive melee unit of the game, if not the phalanx?

Will there be just spearmen?

[TechWins]

Originally posted by axi
If the greeks aren't in, then what is the early defensive melee unit of the game, if not the phalanx?

Will there be just spearmen?

The phalanx wasn't in Civ3. The universal unit was the spearmen and the Greeks got the unique unit of hoplite over the spearmen.

[Alexander D]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Hmmm, I can't imagine the Greeks or Babylonians being in. They are as quintessential to civ as the English, Germans, Russians, Romans, etc. So my hunch is that some other civ got dropped, if indeed there are only 18. Perhaps the Arabs or Incas.

I believe neither two should be dropped. First, the Arabs extend along a big area and they developed a 'religion', concept that cIV plans to address. Second, if you are going to include one civilization that represent the original american people, the Inca were by far the most advanced, they were a local empire that took a big chunk of South America, with a bigger chance of become a local modern power, if they weren't conquered by sheer luck and disease. They were the most powerfull of the ancient americas.

To be fair, three civilizations from the Americas should be included: The Iroquis (or something similar) to represent the North America natives. The Aztecs to represent Central America. And The Incas, to represent South America.

Regarding health, I wonder if first contact between civilizations will also mean disease transmission, ala what happened with the death of million of aboriginal people shortly after the first eupeans arrival.

Greetings

Alex

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by CyberShy
I already smelled expansion packs when cIV was announced!

Well Cyber, with the announced tools and easy way to mod the game, I should smell indeed "players' modding in a month" for every civilization that already have enough raw graphics and info available from previus Civ 3 Conquest.

We already know unique unit, leader name e raw animation, city list, etc. for greeks, babylonian, zulu, korean...

Many brilliant modders already did great works in the past with few hints.

[vovan]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith
Well Cyber, with the announced tools and easy way to mod the game, I should smell indeed "players' modding in a month" for every civilization that already have enough raw graphics and info available from previus Civ 3 Conquest.

A strong modding community never stopped EA from releasing all those Sims expansion packs.