Replacing Religions

[dearmad]

But actually he framed it in a way that indicated what if you were a member of one of those other religions? this time...

And, IMO, appeared to seperate discussion in general from discussion with intent to wrong the other viewpoint.

This may be hypocritical of him (at this point- since the OP wasn't trying to wrong anyone but expressed his motivation came from a belief in the wrongness of others) but is it intolerant?

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Verenti
My view may be one that is less civil, but it results in a greater civility if followed by a community.

And if everyone would just follow a state religion, all religious conflict would disappear. Such ideas sound great in theory, but they don't work in practice because attempts to enforce such standards are themselves destructive to civility. What works best in practice is being thick-skinned enough not to take it personally when people express religious bekliefs that conflict with ours.

Sir, I have not said you shouldn't mod the game or have your beliefs, but having a belief and expressing a belief in public are two very different things: You may not be trying to change other peoples point of view, but you are indeed declaring to the world that their core beliefs, which they may belief just as strongly as you, are wrong and that is somthing that is NEVER well recieved,

How is it that it's okay for people to declare themselves to be atheists, thereby making it clear that they believe that my religious beliefs are wrong, but not okay for me to express a belief that my religious beliefs are right and conflicting beliefs are wrong? Why, for example, is it okay for an atheist to believe that Islam is wrong but not for a Christian to do so?

By keeping more "radical" beliefs in the private domain of your parlour, You don't offend those who happen to not share your ideals. I know that this topic started as "I want to change the religions: Any ideas" but thats not all that has been expressed here. By bringing your justifications to the forefront you've turned this topic into a regular circus act, because other people reciprocated and share THEIR religious views which has ticked a few people off.

The reason why I've spent so much time explaining my views is that other people have chosen to question, and in some cases deliberately attack, my views instead of merely accepting that I feel the way I do. So how come you're trying to pin the responsibility on me?

[Solver]

I do not believe that Nbarclay is in any way hypocritical. I don't see him acting in a disrespectful manner towards me because I am not a Christian!

[Verenti]

You could say that, but my point of view is that we all have different point of views that are often opposing, so why express it in an open community somthing that may potential offend them gravely.


My point is not that you're not allowed to have strong beliefs or to think that your way is right and others wrong but it is rude and reasonably unwise to express this in public, especially in such a diverse community.


I have strong beliefs too, I could talk about my opinions for hours on end: Religion, Politics, Philosophy and No doubt that If I told you all about them, it would go on for pages and a great many people would be upset: Knowing that, I don't express them in such a place. It would serve no purpose.

And about the "dog piling": Express strong views any which way (or hint that you may be harbouring them) will provoke critics to come out in droves. It's been the same way throughout history.

And not that my opinion is the only opinion, its just the one I find ideal for facilitating civil conversation between potentially opposing ideologies and beliefs.

So we can give in to my insideous agenda of mutual and happy co-existance, or we can continue this meaningless fight.

[LordShiva]

... (sorry, double post)

[Beta]

Originally posted by nbarclay


I've pretty much decided to go with the list I came up with earlier (Firaxianism, Apolytonism, and so forth), or with a variant of that list.

Monk Oliver below, and all the Feline faithful are crushed, Nathan - simply crushed - that Felinism is not on the list. In fact Monk Oliver was so overcome with emotion and fervour, he passed out.

[LordShiva]

Ouch! The hypocrisy!

Originally posted by Everyone who is dog-piling on nbarclay
nbarclay, my belief, which I believe to be true, is that you are JUST PLAIN WRONG for expressing your belief that these other beliefs are wrong!

[Nikolai]

[Solver]

You could say that, but my point of view is that we all have different point of views that are often opposing, so why express it in an open community somthing that may potential offend them gravely.

Interesting. I can understand religious people being offended by certain depictions of religion or certain opinions about religion, but I don't see how atheists can be offended by someone being religious!

[Senethro]

Arguing on the internet is like...

And yes, I'm aware of the irony of arguing against arguing. I wish I could disengage myself from the serious internet business taking place here...

[dearmad]

Originally posted by Solver
I do not believe that Nbarclay is in any way hypocritical. I don't see him acting in a disrespectful manner towards me because I am not a Christian!

I meant Verenti, not Nbarclay.

[Verenti]

Originally posted by Solver

You could say that, but my point of view is that we all have different point of views that are often opposing, so why express it in an open community somthing that may potential offend them gravely.

Interesting. I can understand religious people being offended by certain depictions of religion or certain opinions about religion, but I don't see how atheists can be offended by someone being religious!

I hope you're not assuming that I was doing this becasue I was offended on how religious people are. But the answer to your question is: Its a sense of injustice towards the crimes commited by (and currently being commited) and in the name of God. That and the clergy generally repersents often Reactionary and entrenched socially conservitive politics.


Edit:

OKay I missed the two top posts at this page. Allow me to reply.

Nbarclay

"And if everyone followed the state religion..."
But everyone doesn't follow the state religion there are a multitude, However everyone has the capacity to not to start unnessicary fights by bringing in radical views on sensitive topics.

"How is it's okay for people to declare themselves to be atheists..."

Need this conversation be so black and white?

Because its okay for you to declare yourself Christian saying you don't believe in the Teachings of Buddha. However, It would not be okay for a Atheist to come around and said Christianity is wrong, and all other religions too. Just by declaring themselves an athiest, They aren't saying your beliefs are wrong, They're saying that they're not THEIR beliefs.

"The reason why I've spent so much time explaining my views is that "

That's a good point. I guess because no one else put their point to such an extreme.

[GeoModder]

Is this still going on? How about a PBEM named "Religious Schism"?
Anyone?

[Solver]

I guess because no one else put their point to such an extreme.

Don't you realize that, while for an atheist his atheism is not the most important thing in life, for religious people religion is one of the most important or the most important thing in their lives? I would also push my point very strongly if we were talking about one of the most important things in my life.

[Joseph]

Boy this becoming a very long thread.