Society VII: Resurrection

[Theben]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
A rules question here that I'm uncertain of- Do wonders from captured cities not work unless rehabbed. I think they shouldn't work until the next turn unless rehabbed. If they did work on the same turn, theben could tax 33 cities and have the tower of babel. As it is, next turn he can tax all cities, have the tower, and nascar.

This needs to be answered before I can start to calculate my next turn.

[Theben]

Also, not to add insult to injury, but shouldn't Jonny's army support cost effectively leave him with only 1 or 2 armies?

EDIT: You also didn't mention that when I built the KGB I voided the Jihad.

[MJW]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
...You didn't specify that when building cities so by rights you should only have 4 cities.

I see where some confusion is... in the chart it says you have 5 cities and in the map you only have 4.

In that case, to keep myself sane, and to apologize for some blips in the game and to thank you and sparrow for sticking with things, imagine you have a city at E10 and Sparrowhawk just has a bonus city. I don't have the sanity left to recalculate subtracting a city from Sparrow.

therefore, okay, you have your 368 gold.

good luck.
-DC.

This is fair for me. I don't know where you got 368 gold. I have an army up keep of 3 now 16/5 =3.2 and an income of 1.5*5*5*10 =375.

375-3=372

[Theben]

So you have 371 gold.

[MJW]

Originally posted by Theben
So you have 371 gold.

So upkeep is rounded up and not to the nearest value?

[Spaced Cowboy]

Lets look at the trade rule again.

Cost = Sum of tech levels between you and trading partner.
Payout= Product of tech levels.
Net Gains= the Difference between (Payout-Cost)

Trader: Receives Net Gains of trade immediately that can be budgeted into Production Phase.

Recipient: Receives Balance at the beginning of the next turn.

Caravans:
Cost = Sum of tech levels between you and trading partner. Reward = Product of tech levels, to both societies.

We know what the originator of the trade gets, but the recipient get the "balance" which is never defined, but "Reward" is defined as the product of tech levels to both societies.

The recipient doesn't pay the costs to send the caravan, he only reaps the rewards.

Please helpe me understand what you are interpreting as the "balance"

[Theben]

Originally posted by MJW
So upkeep is rounded up and not to the nearest value?

I've always rounded up, based on the assumption that no one does anything for free.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy
We know what the originator of the trade gets, but the recipient get the "balance" which is never defined, but "Reward" is defined as the product of tech levels to both societies.

The recipient doesn't pay the costs to send the caravan, he only reaps the rewards.

Please helpe me understand what you are interpreting as the "balance"

DC changed it earlier to mean the sender gets (T1*T2)-(T1+T2), and the balance is T1+T2.
FE: A Tech 10 caravan goes to Tech 10 society, =10*10=100-(10+10)=80. Society A gets 80, society B gets 20 next turn.

Personally I like this better b/c the civ that sends the caravan gets more money, whereas before the recepient got more (which IMO doesn't make sense).

[DarkCloud]

EDIT: You also didn't mention that when I built the KGB I voided the Jihad.

Oh, I din't actually realize you wanted to invalidate the Jihad. Just fixed.

Hm... Jonny losing armies due to upkeep costs... I think you might have a point since he couldn't get taxes from the new cities. This would mean he could only support 2 armies.
(army size)/(number of cities)

he had 1 gp... 2 armies cost 1 gp.

So instead of 79 armies, he now only has 2... Oh my.

(Note: Fixed on Chart).

[DarkCloud]

MJW- yes, it's 371 gold... I did that calculation in my head so that's why I slightly underestimated. I believe the rules state that the number of gold for army upkeep is rounded up.

Spaced Cowboy
Fair question.

Cost = Sum of tech levels between you and trading partner.
Payout= Product of tech levels.
Net Gains= the Difference between (Payout-Cost)

Trader: Receives Net Gains of trade immediately that can be budgeted into Production Phase.

Recipient: Receives Balance at the beginning of the next turn.

Caravans:
Cost = Sum of tech levels between you and trading partner. Reward = Product of tech levels, to both societies.


We know what the originator of the trade gets, but the recipient get the "balance" which is never defined, but "Reward" is defined as the product of tech levels to both societies.

The recipient doesn't pay the costs to send the caravan, he only reaps the rewards.

Please helpe me understand what you are interpreting as the "balance"

That was due to a sloppy rules revision... Please ignore the thing about reward that was the old rule... Here's a clearer rewrite.

Caravan Cost (Cost)= Sum of tech levels between you and trading partner.
(Payout)= Product of tech levels.
(Net Gains)= the Difference between (Payout-Cost)
(Balance)= Cost
(Gvt)=Government of the Country

Trader: Receives Net Gains of trade immediately that can be budgeted into Production Phase.

Recipient: Receives Balance at the beginning of the next turn.

Example:
(Payout)-(Cost)=(Net Gains For Trader)x(GVT)=TOTAL
(Cost)=(Net Gains for Recipient)x(GVT)=TOTAL

[DarkCloud]

And unless there are objections I think the answer to:

of- Do wonders from captured cities not work unless rehabbed.

Should be: they shouldn't work until the next turn unless rehabbed.

I think that logically this makes sense. So next turn the Tower of Babel will work for Theben, but not this turn.

[MJW]

Everyone should remember the three day "non-move" rule ...

[DarkCloud]

Thanks MJW. The deadline starts from my post #265 since that is when all the issues were finally resolved.

Good luck everyone!

[Spaced Cowboy]

There is one more issue, you have my army count wrong at the beginning of the turn.

[DarkCloud]

The army count's all right.

I realize I gave you 4 more than you ordered, but that's because when I ran the program, you had more gold than you expected and I thought you wanted to purchase max armies. I did them after the tech was upgraded.

Foreign Aid transfered tech doesn't count toward excess army cost.