Console Wars IV

[Asher]

You can even change some settings without UAC -- for instance, time zones. You can't change the time itself since that's usually a token for security settings.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Agathon

You could try, like, not running Windows.

Jeez.. unless you have to use Windows only productivity apps, you might as well dual boot, and use Windows only for gaming. You'll be more or less safe if you do that.

And run what instead? Linux? Its an interesting option, but I need to use Office and all my other productivity software.

I've been using Vista for a couple of months now and I think its better overall than XP (and XP was a pretty good OS). Frankly, I don't understand why you and others like you call Vista a "train wreck". Admittedly, the development process was a mess. Admittedly, it didn't live up to its sky high ambitions. But despite all that, Vista is a decent OS IMO. Maybe you could enlighten me? Point out its major flaws, those that make it a "train wreck"? Unless you have nothing, that is...

[Asher]

You just opened a can of worms. He's going to copy and paste cookie cutter gripes from Slashdot, his favourite non-Mac site.

Agathon is proud of the fact that he's never used Vista, but he's also one of the biggest whiners about Vista in all of the internet. If I were an educated, cultured man like molly bloom or Agathon I'd quote something about the man doth protest too much from Shakespeare.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Mr Snuggles


Perhaps some day I will explain to you the dilemma of limited resources, then. I don't know how you survived in this world without comprehending scarcity of resources.

The existence of A weight loss tool. By a team of Japanese developers working for Nintendo, IIUC. Who otherwise would have been making what, yet another JRPG? Do you really think Bungie or Epic or whomever is going to make a weight loss tool? Even if a major developer of the kind of AAA shooters or RPGs that you like were to make a weight loss tool, how many would there be - one, maybe two in a the course of a year or two? While FPS for all the various platforms come out at what, the rate of a couple a month?

And are they really the same resources in terms of skill sets? Does it really take the same can kinds of leet coding and design skills for a gimmicky game that it takes for a top of the line AAA shooter?

Im also thinking the supply of labor to the gaming industry is not finite. There are probably folks in related fields (systems consultants, lets say) who would be drawn in by the increase in wages caused by an increase in demand - in the economics business, which is based on the concept of scarcity, we call this "elasticity of supply of labor" Again, of course the talent that is most ideally suited to the gaming industry is already in it - but as I say above, I wonder if those are the folks who will be making the gimmick games.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Mr Snuggles

Vista brought MS record revenues and profits and Agathon is painting it like MS is dying. Somebody needs to bring in a dose of reality for the rest of you folk.

its difficult for Vista to be "dying" as long as OEMs are preloading it. Its quite possible for Vista to be having SOME business difficulties without it being "dying". Its also possible for it to be having business problems without Aggie (or whomever started it)being correct about the security issues. Why that might be, is another question.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
The existence of A weight loss tool. By a team of Japanese developers working for Nintendo, IIUC. Who otherwise would have been making what, yet another JRPG?

Just where do you think the internal developers come from? Magical developer farms?

And are they really the same resources in terms of skill sets? Does it really take the same can kinds of leet coding and design skills for a gimmicky game that it takes for a top of the line AAA shooter?

Coding is coding is coding. A few specialists may differ, the vast majority will not. Developers do not pick which project they go on, for the most part.

Nintendo says we need X many heads, and they put X many heads on there.

So let's say Nintendo employs 300 developers. If you allocate 50 or so to Wii Fit, that's 50 that could've gone to other titles -- a new Kid Icarus or a new Mario, it doesn't matter.

[Kuciwalker]

Coding is not art is not writing is not design is not SFX, however. AAA games use a lot of all 5, Wii Fit probably only needs much of 1 and 4.

[Kuciwalker]

Im also thinking the supply of labor to the gaming industry is not finite.

I really hope you mean "fixed".

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Im also thinking the supply of labor to the gaming industry is not finite.

I really hope you mean "fixed".

correct, young padiwan

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Coding is not art is not writing is not design is not SFX, however. AAA games use a lot of all 5, Wii Fit probably only needs much of 1 and 4.

They're still all finite resources. You only have so many of each. And if they're stuck doing **** like Wii Fit, they're not making real games.

Since you're not a real gamer...it'd be like asking terrific movie directors to start making episodes of daytime soaps. Sure, they're not making Pulp Fiction or No Country For Old Men, but they're opening up to a whole new market in Days of our Lives...

[Kuciwalker]

Since you're not a real gamer

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Mr Snuggles

Just where do you think the internal developers come from? Magical developer farms?

The comp sci depts of Japanese universities. Im betting if Nintendo finds a new market they didnt have before, they try to hire more folks. I expect that means some folks who would otherwise be heading to the IT dept at Mitsubishi Steel get to fulfill there dream of making games for Nintendo, instead.

Coding is coding is coding. A few specialists may differ, the vast majority will not. Developers do not pick which project they go on, for the most part.

Nintendo says we need X many heads, and they put X many heads on there.

So let's say Nintendo employs 300 developers. If you allocate 50 or so to Wii Fit, that's 50 that could've gone to other titles -- a new Kid Icarus or a new Mario, it doesn't matter.

So a few less Nintendo first party titles. Important within the Nintendo fan community, but hardly impacts the masses of "real gamers" on the 360.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Mr Snuggles

They're still all finite resources. You only have so many of each. And if they're stuck doing **** like Wii Fit, they're not making real games.

Since you're not a real gamer...it'd be like asking terrific movie directors to start making episodes of daytime soaps. Sure, they're not making Pulp Fiction or No Country For Old Men, but they're opening up to a whole new market in Days of our Lives...

Do you seriously think that if all the folks who watched soap operas suddenly started, say, knitting, instead, that would mean an increase in the number of dramatic movies made, thanks to the release of talent? Rather than say a lot of ex soap directors looking for jobs making TV commercials, or finding second careers as used car salesmen?

I really DO think you need to explore the concept of elasticity of supply of labor.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Since you're not a real gamer

dont worry, he probably confused you with me

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


dont worry, he probably confused you with me

Yes.