FG: NASCAR 11 - NASCAR with a Vengeance Part II

[rah]

Glad to see that I was unpredictable.
I actually toyed with the idea of having no bags in the alley, but thought that would be way too evil. I think I was evil enough.

[Drogue]

I agree it's interesting and unpredictable, but you do realise the strategy you played with the bags meant *whoever* was in the lead was going to crash out? Whatever we did, it was impossible to predict a strategy that was safe, so playing a very different number of bags hands the game to someone behind.

I'm all for keeping the game open, but catagorically making it that the leaders going into the sandtrap cannot win seems a little far to me. I completely accept as the GM that it's interesting to keep things different and I accept that's the risk we took, though personally I think it's going a little far.

[Drogue]

Sorry, that post seems very sour-grapes-ish. That's not the intention at all, I completely accept rah's desire to be unpredictable and he's done a fantastic job GMing the game. I just think this went a little far, making a 'safe' strategy impossible.

[Kassiopeia]

Hmm, I think I should be one square to the right.

[rah]

I can feel your pain drouge, but there were paths that would have slowed you down enough to make the turn.
I was surpised that you moved through missing them.

And entering the alley a bit more cautiously probably would have been more prudent.

And going off the track may not eliminate someone from the race. I'm predicting that the winner will leave the track.

[rah]

Kass, you're right and corrected.

And back to the other issue. The whole original concept of sand trap alley was to penalize the leaders to keep a closer race. (but with additional sand bombs may not be necessary anymore) Luck of the draw that you went through as clean as you did. (your final A) didn' help either.

And actually I didn't want to put too many bags in since it usually gives the advantage to turbo cars.

Yes drogue, you got reamed here, but it was more luck and lack of caution that did you in, and not anything conscious by me to pimp you. It was not my intent. I can only hope that people see that. But yes, I did want it to be different after lulling everyone in the last two laps through.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by rah
I can feel your pain drouge, but there were paths that would have slowed you down enough to make the turn.
I was surpised that you moved through missing them.

And entering the alley a bit more cautiously probably would have been more prudent.

However if there had been the usual 7/8 in the last 9 squares, any slower would have meant not getting round. That's what i meant that there was no safe strategy, nothing that would work both for there being the usual 7/8 and for 2.

Originally posted by rah
And going off the track may not eliminate someone from the race. I'm predicting that the winner will leave the track.

Point taken... we'll see

[Drogue]

Originally posted by rah
Yes drogue, you got reamed here, but it was more luck and lack of caution that did you in, and not anything conscious by me to pimp you. It was not my intent. I can only hope that people see that. But yes, I did want it to be different after lulling everyone in the last two laps through.

Oh, I never meant to suggest that. I don't think you were out to get me at all... I just think a little much boas away from the leaders - it made sense to go slower for no other reason than to be a few places down.

Please don't see this as complaining, just a personal opinion that it was a *little* much, but obviously I haven't seen the other ways through.

[rah]

Yes, I agree that luck would have been necessary for the safe strat. (but going slower would give you better odds, which I agree would have been tough to do when you're battling head to head like you were)
BUT that curve was designed specifically to cause these types of problems. It is the only really nasty one on the track.

And I'm relieved that you do realize that this was done to screw with everyone and not just you. Almost everyone is heading in with the pedal to the metal.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by rah
Yes, I agree that luck would have been necessary for the safe strat. (but going slower would give you better odds, which I agree would have been tough to do when you're battling head to head like you were)

Hehe... wanna bet? I was playing with this for my game theory analysis, and given a set of sand of roughly the same total number as before, the safest strat was exactly equal between what I did and the same but without the A at the end.

I think there may have been a few too many unknowns for it to work as an indicator, but on percentages it looked good

[rah]

The biggest unknown was the GM I was trying to think what would have been the least predictable, and it seems I succeeded. But in hindsight, what would the worst thing that I could do to cars cruising in at 15-19 speed have been? Exactly what I did.

[snoopy369]

/me sent orders in ...

Who'd have thought, Rah is the evil twin of the pair?

(Or did they just switch accounts ... )

/me points to Rah posting using Ming's account ...

[rah]

It was a hint of things to come

[snoopy369]

/me murrays that clearly Sparrowhawk has the best line on the pits ...

[Jonny]

Sent.