A late comer to Deus Ex

[Skanky Burns]

Have either of you tried the shotguns at all? I tried to make myself play through using it but just couldn't. I found myself always going back to the other weapons I always use.

[GeneralTacticus]

Yeah, I've used both of them. The Sawed-off Shotgun is basically useless; it fires very slowly, won't kill in one hit, and can only be used at short range. The Assault Shotgun is far, far better; it fires very rapidly, and a couple of buckshot blasts should be enough to kill a standard enemy. The sabot rounds are also useful for destroying cameras and so on.

EDIT: Useful, not useless!

[Skanky Burns]

Trying to destroy a bot with the sabot rounds was one of the times I gave up on the assault shotgun.

[General Ludd]

It's hard to remember, but I don't think i ever used the shotgun much. The auto-shotgun would be saved for special circumstances where I need to take out a crowd of tough enemies quickly and in close quarters.

[GeneralTacticus]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Trying to destroy a bot with the sabot rounds was one of the times I gave up on the assault shotgun.

Anyone who tries to take down a bot with any light weapon deserves to be smacked around the head with that weapon. If you have no heavy weapons, the only real way to kill a bot is to whack it with the Dragon's Tooth until it explodes - sadly, this only works on military bots, as the other kinds are fast enough to spin around and riddle you with machine-gun fire before you can kill them.

[DrSpike]

Nice to see people still playing Deus Ex.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Rasputin
ok into the final scenes now... have to make my choice...

do i join the illuminati

do i destroy them

do i mind meld with a computer...

Join the Illuminati.

hmmmm which option gives me the girls !!!!!!

Umm... the Illuminati.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
While the sniper rifle is god once you get it up to 100% accuracy, I'd like to see you use it to take down squads of guys who emerge at medium to short range without getting severely injured. I'd also like to see you use it around a corner.

That's what the cloaking mod and thermal masking mod were invented for!

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Anyone who tries to take down a bot with any light weapon deserves to be smacked around the head with that weapon. If you have no heavy weapons, the only real way to kill a bot is to whack it with the Dragon's Tooth until it explodes - sadly, this only works on military bots, as the other kinds are fast enough to spin around and riddle you with machine-gun fire before you can kill them.

Bah, I just use EMP grenades, LAM grenades, or LAWs if I find them nearby (which is typically the case).

[pg]

shotguns suck. probably the worse weapon, eh? take up a lot of space you never seem to have a good ammo supply and using them is a pain. the assault shotgun is probably almost worse than the regular one as it uses so much ammo. or was there a way to only fire it once?

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Anyone who tries to take down a bot with any light weapon deserves to be smacked around the head with that weapon. If you have no heavy weapons, the only real way to kill a bot is to whack it with the Dragon's Tooth until it explodes - sadly, this only works on military bots, as the other kinds are fast enough to spin around and riddle you with machine-gun fire before you can kill them.

This was when I was forcing myself to try out the shotgun in the game. If you can't take bots out with the sabot, whats the point of them?

Incidently, you can kill the military bots with a knife due to their slow turn speed. That was one of the conditions of the realistic challenge I mentioned before.

[ravagon]

Interesting.
I love the sniper rifle but could find very little use from the AR - it was fine on the low levels but on realistic it just used up far too much ammo for too little an effect.
I found recoil to be a problem even at advanced skill level and could never get the hang of the ballistic arc of the HE shells.
The std sawed-off shotgun though was a wonder - I could often get single-shot kills on guards at a range beyond my pistol and the sabot shells worked well on camera's and spider bots (saved my rockets for those hard-to-pick locks). It did absorb a lot of my extended clip mods though.
Never really tried the assault shotgun simply because it would've meant dropping a stack of EMP grenades which can come in rather handy.

Something else I never had time for - the stealth pistol. I couldn't hit anybody in the head with it unless they were < 5m away! Even then it'd often nick the shoulder or something. I remember the MJ12 building in HK with me sitting in the vent trying to pick off the guards with this thing (the venting poison gas only ever got rid of a single guard for me) and using up a whole clip without even hitting the guy sitting at the desk.
It was silenced of course so he didn't even notice the bullets spanging off every conceivable surface nor feel the rush of air as they passed within cm of his face.
I find it hard to believe that the difference in accuracy between that thing and my std heavy-duty sidearm is only 5%.

Incidentally is there anybody who ever used the plasma rifle?
I though it good in principle but as it takes up as much space as the GEP gun, hindered movement just as much and seemed to be far less effective.

[Guynemer]

Reading this thread has put me in the mood to once again fire up Deus Ex. I don't think I'll ever get "DX2".

The last time, I went through the game without outright killing anyone except

Spoiler:

Ana, Gunther, and Simons.

However, I did render a whole heckuva lot of people "unconscious", which is essentially the same thing. Maybe I'll try to get through without even doing that...


Oh wait, I also had to kill a handful of MJ-12 troopers, MiB, and various animals. Dammit.

[Pythagoras]

So the big question for me is:

Is Invisible War any good? How does it compare?

[Skanky Burns]

Deus Ex 1: Shiny, gold-plated game filled with loving tender care. All considered, one of the top games ever.

Deus Ex 2: A paper bag filled with excrement and then set on fire. The paper bag itself is made out of the cheapest paper known to man. The fire pollutes.