DESIGN: Wonders

[HuangShang]

hey thats a good idea, the London Exchange (which we might like to rename to Stock Exchange) is balanced and works out to about the same benefit after a while. Although it might be a more useful wonder to add to older buildings (i.e. for Internet adding to Universities like it did in its very beginnings).

[Ekmek]

Originally posted by LemurMadness
The Ramayana should be +2, I agree with that, but I'd say Wonders should keep an specific bonus, like the original CTP2 does. Obsoleting Wonders, well, CTP1 did had wonder obsoletion, CTP2 doesn't? Can Wonders be obsoleted throught a period of time, instead of advances?

not sure how to set it to an age, but you can make obsolete with multiple advances. first one will obsolete it

Sounds more reasonable, like the bonus of Advance Reached (Concrete +5%) / # of Buildings Constructed of Same Type (Theaters).

if i understand you right i already did this code. you can set a flag that says you need X number of Building Y before you can build a wonder (or building)

The "Building Everywhere", didn't worked properly last time I checked (Yeah it was about 200 builds ago), and it doesn't seems ok for Civilizations with few cities with high population, so I agree with the "Double Effectiveness of X Buildings".

i'll look into the actual building code today (hopefully)

as far as a flag should we rename BuidingEverywhere to BuildingEffectEverywhere? then I'd re do the code to BuildingEverywhere to actually make abuilduing Everywhere

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by LemurMadness

Obsoleting Wonders, well, CTP1 did had wonder obsoletion, CTP2 doesn't?

CtP2 has some wonders obsoleted, but ones that aren't ever obsoleted (or obsoleted for a long time) risk being too powerful.

Can Wonders be obsoleted throught a period of time, instead of advances? Sounds more reasonable, like the bonus of Advance Reached (Concrete +5%) / # of Buildings Constructed of Same Type (Theaters).

I guess thats a good idea aswell, but advance obsoleting is fairly consistant anyway. Plus there's a reason for it to be obsoleting at a significant advance in the same field, it adds more flavour than obsoleting at the same turns every game.

i'll look into the actual building code today (hopefully)

as far as a flag should we rename BuidingEverywhere to BuildingEffectEverywhere? then I'd re do the code to BuildingEverywhere to actually make abuilduing Everywhere

It's needless work at the moment IMO, but it's up to you

[Ekmek]

I checked the code. Not in 632 but in 707 and later there is this code:

	sint32 buildingIndex;
	if(wrec->GetBuildingEverywhereIndex(buildingIndex)) {
		m_wonderBuildings |= ((uint64)1 << buildingIndex);
	}
//EMOD to actually create the wonder building

	sint32 abuildingIndex;
	if(wrec->GetActualBuildingEverywhereIndex(abuildingIndex)) {
		for(i = 0; i < m_all_cities->Num(); i++) {
			if (!m_all_cities->Access(i).GetData()->GetCityData()->HaveImprovement(abuildingIndex)) {
				m_all_cities->Access(i).GetData()->GetCityData()->AddImprovement(abuildingIndex);
			}
		}
	}
//end EMOD

So Maq if you are up for it could you test this?

To do so change the wonder that has the 'BuildingEverywhere' and change the flag to
'ActualBuildingEverywhere' just add Actual in front of it.

If it works I think we should make that a standard change in Wonders.txt since people always ask about that.

if it doesn't work I think I know where I need to fix it. thanks

[Maquiladora]

OK I just tested it. I Added Hagia Sofia with the scenario editior and it added the Shrine. Then I removed Hagia Sofia with scenario editor and it left the Shrine. So i think it works fine.

[Ekmek]

I love it when code works

so should we make it a permanent change?

[Maquiladora]

We may aswell. That's how it should work.

First we need to conclude any changes in the wonder thread, then I'll attach a wonders.txt with all the changes in it.

edit: forgot this IS the wonder thread

[Maquiladora]

OK to try and wrap up some changes, so we can add it and start testing:

Overpowered:
==============

Aristotle's Lyceum - doesn't obsolete, +20% science for rest of game.

Solution - +10% science, obsolete at Classical Education.

Central Matter Decompiler - "building everywhere" overpowered. Matter Decompilers are already an excellent building (-50% production pollution). They effectively allow you to increase your production with much lower pollution costs, that everyone else is struggling with.

Solution - any ideas? (that don't involve weakening Matter Decompilers)

Chichen Itza - doesn't obsolete, -30% crime for rest of game.

Solution - obsolete at Theology (divine law).

Field Dynamics Lab - doesn't obsolete, +35% science for rest of game.

Solution - +10% science. This is still a lot but it's nearer the end of the game.

Genome Project - doesn't obsolete, +10% prod., +10% health (+1HP) for units.

Solution - only +10% Health.

Globe Sat - worldwide radar coverage, speaks for itself...

Solution - This HAS to be a wonder everyone can build? It's too good for one civ to have alone. Seems like a good solution and keeps the wonder unchanged.

Gutenberg's Bible - doesn't obsolete, +2 happiness forever, eliminates conversion.

Solution - only give "Eliminates conversion", still very useful in the right circumstances.

Zero Crime Bill - doesn't obsolete, -60% crime for rest of game.

Solution - -30% crime, obsolete at Neural Reprogramming

Internet - "building everywhere" overpowered. Effectively +20% science (Computer Center) for rest of game.

Solution - +20% science, obsolete at Space Flight(Orbital Laboratories)?

Ramayana - +3 happiness for rest of game? yeah that's overpowered alright.

Solution - +1 happiness, obsolete Age of Reason, needs to obsolete quite early.


Underpowered:
===============

Pyramids - +100 gold per turn to the civ that builds it. It doesn't obsolete, but that's underpowered still, considering it costs the same as Ramayana. Over 500 turns thats only 50,000 gold.

Solution - maybe +300 gold? We should keep it similar to the original. Should it obsolete?

[Ekmek]

Globesat may take some work

in player.cpp
		if(wrec->GetGlobalRadar()) {
			g_player[wowner]->m_hasGlobalRadar = FALSE;
			g_theWonderTracker->SetGlobeSatFlags(g_theWonderTracker->GlobeSatFlags() & ~(1 << m_owner));
			m_vision->ClearUnseen();
			if(wowner == g_selected_item->GetVisiblePlayer()) {
				g_director->AddCopyVision();
			}
		}

the wondertracker line is a problem

[cap601]

Maybe the central matter decompiler could reduce production and/or upkeep costs? That would give the builder the same pollution cutting benefits but make it easier to get them.

[Maquiladora]

Globesat may take some work

I'll leave it with you for now then E. For now I'll double the cost of the wonder.

Maybe the central matter decompiler could reduce production and/or upkeep costs? That would give the builder the same pollution cutting benefits but make it easier to get them.

It's not very similar to the original wonder though. cutting production is a lot worse than reducing the pollution caused, and I don't know if we can reduce upkeep costs yet, but that would be a good effect to have for another wonder. Ideally the CMD would just be -25% production pollution (or something) to one civ, and you can build Matter Decompilers aswell.

[Ekmek]

I thought this would be a good time to post what the database for wonders looks like. FU - means futureUse (not implemented) though I may have implemented it.

Any qustions just ask!

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#  Project      : Call To Power 2
#  File type    : dbgen input
#  Description  : Wonder type descriptor
# 
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
# 
#  Disclaimer
# 
#  THIS FILE IS NOT GENERATED OR SUPPORTED BY ACTIVISION.
# 
#  This material has been developed at apolyton.net by the Apolyton CtP2 
#  Source Code Project. Contact the authors at [email]ctp2source@apolyton.net[/email].
# 
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
# 
#  Modifications from the original Activision code:
#
#  - FU: designates Future Use / To Be Implemented / not coded yet
#  - Governmenttype //added by E limiting wonders to certain governments
#  - CultureOnly //added by E -- can only build wonders if civ has certain citystyle
#  - CityStyleOnly //added by E -- can only build wonders at cities with certain citystyle 
#  - PrerequisiteBuilding  // Added by E to limit wonders to cities with certain buildings
#  - EnablesGood //added by E allows a wonder to give a city a good 
#  - NeedsCityGood - requires a good to build wonder
#  - NeedsCityGoodAll - requires a 1 or more good to build wonder
#  - NeedsCityGoodAnyCity - requires any city to have good to build wonder
#  - EnablesPunativeAirstrikes //added by E(1-14-2006) allows airstrikes without war
#  - Added OnePerCiv for Small Wonders
#  - ObsoleteGovernmenttype //added by E obsoletes wonders only if player switches to govt
#  - Added BuildingEffectEverywhere to better flag than BuildingEverywhere based on code
#  - ActualBuildingEverywhere was added and implemented a long time ago
# 
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

WonderMovie : File

Wonder {
	Int ProductionCost
	Record Icon DefaultIcon
	Record WonderMovie Movie
	StringId Description
	Record Advance EnableAdvance
	Record Advance [0..5] ObsoleteAdvance
	Record Building[] PrerequisiteBuilding		// Added by E to limit wonders to cities with certain buildings
	Record Government[] GovernmentsModified		// Added by MrBaggins
	Record CityStyle[] CultureOnly				//added by E -- can only build wonders if civ has certain citystyle
	Record Government[] GovernmentType			//added by E --- a copy of unit Government type code
	Record Government[] ObsoleteGovernmentType	//added by E --- switching to this obsoletes your imp
	Record CityStyle[] CityStyleOnly			//added by E--can only build wonders at cities with certain citystyle 
	Record Resource[] NeedsCityGood				// must have good in radius of city or buying resource to build 
	Record Resource[] NeedsCityGoodAll			//a city must have all resource to build wonder
	Record Resource[] NeedsCityGoodAnyCity		//
    Record Resource[] EnablesGood				//added by E -- having a TI gives a city a good
	Record TerrainImprovement[] ShowOnMap		//
	Record TerrainImprovement[] ShowOnMapRadius //
	Record Civilisation[] CivilisationOnly 
	Record Feat[] NeedsFeatToBuild				// implemented by E
	Bit(Record MapIcon)   ShowCityIcon			// Like show on map but put on city?

	Bit(Int) SquaredBorderRadius 				//added by E
	Bit(Int) IntBorderRadius    				//added by E
	Bit		 OnePerCiv							//EMOD implement 5-12-2006
	Bit(Record MapIcon)			IsReligionIcon	// Displays city religion icon - can be used for Holy Cities
	
	# Flags
	Bit(Int) ReduceReadinessCost
	Bit EmbassiesEverywhere
	Bit(Int) DecCrimePercent
	Bit(Int) IncKnowledgePercent
	Bit(Int) DecEmpireSize
	Bit(Int) IncHappinessEmpire
	Bit CloseEmbassies
	Bit ReformCities
	Bit FreeSlaves
	Bit(Int) IncConvertedCitiesFeePercent
	Bit(Int) GoldPerWaterTradeRoute
	Bit(Int) GoldPerTelevision
	Bit GlobalRadar
	Bit SpiesEverywhere
	Bit(Int) GoldPerInternationalTradeRoute
	Bit ProtectFromBiologicalWarfare
	Bit(Int) PollutersToParks
	Bit EnableParkRangers
	Bit(Int) ReduceWorldPollution
	Bit AllCitizensContent
	Bit EliminateNukes
	Bit AllBoatsDeepWater
	Bit(Int) IncreaseBoatMovement
	Bit FreeTradeRoutes
	Bit(Int) DecreaseMaintenance
	Bit(Int) RandomAdvanceChance
	Bit(Int) IncreaseHp
	Bit(Int) MultiplyTradeRoutes
	Bit ForcefieldEverywhere
	Bit(Int) IncreaseScientists
	Bit(Int) OtherCivRandomAdvanceChance
	Bit(Int) IncreaseProduction
	Bit(Int) BonusGold
	Bit CantBuildInSea							// Added by E to restrict some wonders to Land
	Bit CantBuildOnLand							//  Added by E to restrict some wonders to Sea				
	Bit CoastalBuilding 						// Added by E to restrict some wonders to the Coast
	Bit EnablesPunativeAirstrikes				// Added by E Air Bombard without War 

	Bit(Int) IncreaseFoodAllCities
	Bit(Int) TemporaryFullHappiness
	Bit RevoltingCitiesJoinPlayer
	Bit NoPollutionUnhappiness
	Bit EmbassiesEverywhereEvenAtWar
	Bit(Int) IncreaseSpecialists
	Bit(Int) IncreaseCathedrals
	Bit(Int) IncreaseBrokerages
	Bit(Int) IncreaseRegard
	Bit PreventConversion
	Bit ProtectFromBarbarians
	Bit StartGaiaController
	Bit GLHidden

	Struct BuildingFeat {						// From feats implemented by E 2-24-2006
		Record Building Building
		Bit(Int) Num
		Bit(Int) PercentCities
	}

	Bit(struct BuildingFeat) BuildingFeat		// From feats implemented by E 2-24-2006

    Struct BuildingGold {
        	Record Building Building
        	Bit(Int) Gold 
    	}

    Bit(struct BuildingGold) BuildingGold
	Bit(Record Building) BuildingEverywhere
	Bit(Record Building) ActualBuildingEverywhere
	Bit(Record Building) BuildingEffectEverywhere  #This would be a better name for BuildingEverywhere
	Bit(Record Building) ConflictsWithBuilding

	##Bit(Record Building) BuildingAnywhere
	Record Building[] BuildingAnywhere
	Bit(Int) GoldPerBuildingAnywhere 

	Bit(Float) PollutionPercent
	Bit(Float) PollutionAmount

	Record Building[]    ExcludedByBuilding 
	Record Wonder[]      ExcludedByWonder 

		#Energy Code
	Bit(Int)   EnergyHunger 
	Bit(Int)   ProducesEnergy
	Bit(Int)   EnergyHungerPerPop
	Bit(Int)   ProducesEnergyPerPop 
}

[cap601]

Originally posted by Maquiladora
It's not very similar to the original wonder though. cutting production is a lot worse than reducing the pollution caused, and I don't know if we can reduce upkeep costs yet, but that would be a good effect to have for another wonder. Ideally the CMD would just be -25% production pollution (or something) to one civ, and you can build Matter Decompilers aswell.

Sorry, what I should have said is that it reduces the production (and upkeep) costs of ordinary Matter Decompilers (it should probably also act as an ordinary Decompiler in the building city). I'm not sure whether that's actually doable at present.

Another option would be for it to upgrade the effectiveness of all other Decompilers by a small amount. May also need code work to implement, though.

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by cap601

Sorry, what I should have said is that it reduces the production (and upkeep) costs of ordinary Matter Decompilers (it should probably also act as an ordinary Decompiler in the building city). I'm not sure whether that's actually doable at present.

Another option would be for it to upgrade the effectiveness of all other Decompilers by a small amount. May also need code work to implement, though.

If a wonder (or anything really, like Goods - coal increasing power plant production etc) could alter the effects of existing buildings that would be perfect aswell

[Ekmek]

you mean a modifier that would tac on an additional percent?

i'll have to think on that i think the code would a little difficult because it takes from the building_util file into citydata processproduction method. the modifier doesn't allow for another plus based solely on the building type (just all buildings based on if they have a production boost)

I may have to think about it


On another note I coded a const.txt option MAX_CITY_WONDERS but have yet to test it