design versus coding

[Solver]

If anyone is to release any evaluation, it should be the project's leader. Not any fan of the project and not anyone else working on it.

[TCO]

A simple "unwilling" suffices.

So anyhow, stop with the blather about how closely you've followed it, since you are unwilling to engage in discussion based off of that. It's like talking about having a diamond in your pocket, but being unwilling to show it to anyone.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by TCO
Nikolai, they are bull****ters.

I don't know either Solver nor Vel very well, but from what I know, both are far from that. I very much respect Vel from his contributions to Civ in the past, and likewise Solver have given me no reason to not respect him from what he's done, public as not public.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Nikolai


I don't know either Solver nor Vel very well, but from what I know, both are far from that. I very much respect Vel from his contributions to Civ in the past, and likewise Solver have given me no reason to not respect him from what he's done, public as not public.

The proof is in the pudding. You can blather about what great guys they are and I'll just get more "show me, show me".

[Solver]

Sure enough. You might even have been right if Vel had given a deadline for the game to be shown. But he hasn't. You can say "show me" - he can say "will do when it's ready to be shown".

Anyway, there are only two ways this can end.

1. Something is released to the public.
2. The project gets abandoned with no one working on it.

It's either the former or the latter. We'll see.

BTW, I have always been amazed, in a good way, at the project's great ability to survive. From experience, most projects die rather quickly - say, within a year of initial conception. By most estimates, if Candle'Bre had been going the way most projects do, it should've been dead by the second half of 2004 at the latest. It's not, though.

Someday I'll even explain why not

[TCO]

It's a joke. And prattling about him not giving a deadline is silliness. Regardless of an estimate (which he was too much of an evasive ***** to give when challenged for one), the objective fact is 5 years with minimal progress. And a bunch of bull**** about sales of real estate funding the thing. Cripes.

I got a mouse in my pocket. Want to buy it? It's worth a million dollars. Give me the money and then I'll show it to you.

[TCO]

It's dead, Solver. You're just walking around a corpse.

[Solver]

Sorry, your attempts are pathetic. Not only you don't know what the actual progress is, you're also acting as if you're entitled to having a product here and now - or at least a detailed report.

That's okay, too. The only thing that I really don't like is how you want the project to fail just so you can brag about being right.

[TCO]

I know that you guys don't have balls to give a report or make a deadline. You are evasive little schoolgirls.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Solver
Sorry, your attempts are pathetic. Not only you don't know what the actual progress is, you're also acting as if you're entitled to having a product here and now - or at least a detailed report.

That's okay, too. The only thing that I really don't like is how you want the project to fail just so you can brag about being right.

I want it to fail because of all the bull**** about new business model. the stupid need to feel pain so that they learn. thus is the world bettered.

[Solver]

Now now, resorting to insults? I guess I'm done with this conversation - I've made my point

[TCO]

what that you"re evasive?

Here's you:
*I've followed this closely
*you don't know what the status is
*we refuse to disclose the status

That's macaca. When I see that, I'll take it and ram it up your ass sideways.

[Solver]

"stupid" and "bull****ters" count as insults ya know.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Solver
"stupid" and "bull****ters" count as insults ya know.

And in other news, 2+2=4.

[Velociryx]

Ahhh, and what a refreshing afternoon it was.

Based on the posts here, I see that TCO didn't bother with the fresh air, but that too, is to be expected.

TCO, for the record:

* The project will be deemed a failure if, at some point (as Solver has already mentioned), there's no one working on it.

As this is currently not the case, your conclusion is obviously incorrect.

* The particulars of how we're organized are of concern to those who are currently involved in the project. As you are not currently involved in the project, we "owe you" exactly zero in terms of disclosure.

If you don't like that....it's fine. If you don't agree with that...it's also fine. This isn't a democracy, and our answers to those types of questions are the same now as they were the last three dozen times you've asked.

* We set no timetables because we are still, by and large, a volunteer group. The funny thing about volunteers is that they have these things called "lives"....and those tend to get busy more often than not, which means that our project sees periods of rampant creativity, discussion, and development, followed by periods of not much going on. Perfect? Hardly, but it's where we are....just like every other, largely volunteer driven project. No big secret there.

I am very sorry that you feel slighted in some way by the fact that we've not produced a product yet for you to evaluate. Perhaps when we do, you'll give it a go. If not...well, you certainly aren't risking anything, as we're not planning to charge for it, so I'm not sure where the anger and venom stem from. In fact, I'm outright amazed. I've never seen or heard of a free-when-complete product be the focus of such ire. It's really quite remarkable when you think about it.

As always, Candle'Bre will be finished when it's finished, and not a day sooner. The remarkable thing is, after all this time, you're still checking in here. I wonder...why is that? Oh, I'm sure you'll have some snide comment, but I'm also willing to bet that there's this part of you that, almost despite yourself, really hopes we pull it off.

It will mean eating some crow, sure, but in the end...wow...wouldn't that just be something?

And the truth is that the only way this project ends prematurely is if I die.

That IS a possibility, as my heart condition has set the clock ticking, for sure, but I'm not going to dwell on that. I'm going to continue doing what I have been doing, which is slowly....ever so slowly inching this project toward completion.

What will you be doing?

-=Vel=-

PS: Point of interest: Stephen King's "The Stand" (Signet Edition), ranks 2,053,018 on Amazon. Looks like I"m in good company!