Beyond Alpha Centauri:::: Discussion Thread 4

[Sprayber]

Can we proceed with the story without insults everyone?

[History Guy]

Sorry for being blunt and offensive, but your thinking and creative skills is pretty low.

Godfrey Daniel! Now excuse me, LMP, but I do think that this is a bit over the top. no one has to be subjected to listening to that sort of thing about their abilities. If people are going to be treated like this here they are not going to be sticking around. I can promise you that.

Can we proceed with the story without insults everyone?

Thanks Thread-god. You truly earn the title of Emperor here.

[Mellian]

LMP-- OK...but we'll get some Pirates before the whole story ends far far in the future, right?? Two or three maybe?

The Novans will loose some ships when they attempt their next wonderful mission impossible ...like some morganite ships that hasn't gotten infected because due to low amount of communication with them....

Man, if such a primative, dirty little bunch as the Novans can get away from just about anything, it looks like the Morganites, Spartans, and Drones are safe from every single thing that might possibly be considered remotely dangerous.

I wouldn't say primitive... they do have the average chironian tech a long with their own develop applications like EMP missiles and effective ways to board enermy ships... they are simply under equiped, under manned, and their ships experience more wear and tear....as they don't always get full maintenance like other factions. When Kane's revolution happens, the Pirates may start getting out of their rogue state.
Also, the Wolverines have acquired some techs some time before...just still figuring out how to develop it...they succeeded with some things, and the stuff they specificly acquired in the past decade from raids and so on helped. Right now, the biggest problem Kane still has is manpower... hard to dominate most of the Pirate Faction and be able to go head-to-head with other factions if there is not alot people to crew the ships.... the contruction of ships and training isn't a problem, just need people or even droids Not only consideering Droids.... other possibilities is clones, sentient algorithms, and so on. anyway, just something the Pirates will be busy with.

Mr. President is still right. I think that the Pirates are far too powerful in their own little way. While the Morganites are being batted around the Corporate Sector, the Hive is retaliating against the Protectorate, and the Spartans and Drones are loosing convoys, it looks like the Novans can do just about anything they care to and not get caught.

Novans are mercenaries, and were hired by Kane to help capture that Drone convoy...which is already a risky mission. They can't simply go anywhere they want and raid anything... they have manpower to worry about, and how many ships.... Pirates only do very risky missions if they know they have a good chance. Right now, i don't see the Pirates very strong, i don't why you people are complaining so much Not like i wiping out entire fleets, or taking over large tract of territory, or blowing entire planets...

-Mellian

[Cybergod]

After reading posts after posts after posts of uterly ridiculous arguments, I have to agree with some points History just made about Mellian's post:

Sorry for being blunt and offensive, but your thinking and creative skills is pretty low.

I find comments such as these utterly offencive. Could we just cut them out?

Another point to make:

TAF isn't infiltrated by anyone, due to their strict security checks and polices

LOL, are you being serious? In my opinion, there cannot be any human organisation that doesn't have a single infiltrator. And this is the future - you may not need human infiltrators; humanity could apply advanced cybernetics to inflitrate factions/nations with artifial inteligence for instance. And what about Gaians and their Empath Guild? Plus who would stop anyone replication such a telepathic project, even on a small scale? (Just a suggestion)

Guardian! Saturn says hello! BTW what are Peacekeeper relations with Morgan, since their little ideological criss-crossing with the Spartans?

Now, on a brighter note (not), here is some Saturnian propaganda...

It would be good to have Outkast and "B.O.B." in the background as well...

[Cybergod]

"Buhaha! Death to EC!"
Whoops! Did I say that out loud?
*cough* unofficially of course *cough*

[Mellian]

sorry for the insult, but i do think it is insulting that i talk about what actions I will do and then have to repeat myself, as if no one was paying attention to what i said when i was talking about it. Also insulting that i seem to be attacked for nearly everything single thing in the story, that this and that is too strong, unrealistic and so on. Yes, i do it myself, but not for every single thing and personally, i see nothing wrong with my actions. terran alliance is technicly has more disadvantages then the chironian factions yet people still complain. Pirates are not that strong, yet people complain they too strong after one event and another coming out? it is insulting to me that people like putting words into my mouth, and exagerate.

If people think the pirates and TA is too strong, well, woa oh oh... look at those invincible Spartans that cannot be defeated just because they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, look at the drones and their alien temple, look at University and super ships and high tech stuff, look at the Protectorate that was able to hide for so long without rest of humanity discovering them and discovering a parralel bubble dimension with a disabled time machine that emittes a lot of chrono particles, oh look the believer mercenaries easily running over the stupid highly trained TAF ships.... look at the morganites able to pull off a stunt like sending a fleet right into Sol luckily not hitting anything and quickly take over, look at those Chironian ships moving about human space in hours time practically!!!

anyway,m will be away from comp this weekend...

later,
-Mellian

[History Guy]

OK, LMP (on the pirates).

Cybergod-- Woah! Those posters!

We dastardly Morganites tend to agree with you when it comes to Earthers.

sorry for the insult, but i do think it is insulting that i talk about what actions I will do and then have to repeat myself, as if no one was paying attention to what i said when i was talking about it. Also insulting that i seem to be attacked for nearly everything single thing in the story, that this and that is too strong, unrealistic and so on. Yes, i do it myself, but not for every single thing and personally, i see nothing wrong with my actions. terran alliance is technicly has more disadvantages then the chironian factions yet people still complain. Pirates are not that strong, yet people complain they too strong after one event and another coming out? it is insulting to me that people like putting words into my mouth, and exagerate.

Well, look on the bright side. At least no one has said of you that your "thinking and creative skills is pretty low."

look at those invincible Spartans that cannot be defeated just because they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy,

Hmmmmm...where has Sprayber ever hinted even once that his troops are unbeatable?

look at the drones and their alien temple,

What, may I ask, is wrong with this plot? This is space. You are the one who is constantly introducing more alien races. What is wrong with the Temple?

look at University and super ships and high tech stuff,

It's the University!! The top minds anywhere!!!!

look at the Protectorate that was able to hide for so long without rest of humanity discovering them and discovering a parralel bubble dimension with a disabled time machine that emittes a lot of chrono particles,

Well...that time machine bit was a little odd...I must confess...

oh look the believer mercenaries easily running over the stupid highly trained TAF ships....

Well, the TAF guys were surprised at Capella after all. They were outnumbered, surrounded, Morganites and Believers coming in on all sides. Technically, the odds were that all of the TAF ships would be wrecked, but quite a few did escape and are hovering around Capella creating havoc.

look at the morganites able to pull off a stunt like sending a fleet right into Sol luckily not hitting anything and quickly take over, look at those Chironian ships moving about human space in hours time practically!!!

Errrrrr...ummmmm...no comment!!

Sorry, but these sorts of posts don't particularly make people eager to contribute to BAC.

[Lonestar]

CyberGod, the Protectorate's propganda machine is far superior.

Let's just say it has Spider-Man, Jedi, and the guy who did "Wag the Dog".

[Frankychan]

Ok *deep breath* here goes,

Please, can we not have personal attacks? I do not want to see anyone leave this impressive story that we are all part of. Attacks towards authors, IMO, are unacceptable. Attacks toward faction leaders (Kessel insulting Yang, for instance) is totally acceptable.

We, as professionals, should not subject ourselves to calling each other names and so forth. But in Mellian/LMP's case, we should read her posts before we "fly-off-the-handle" and start accusing and pointing fingers.

But remember, we should not be hippocritical in our arguments. So, saying things like "So-and-so is unrealistic, I won't stand for it!" and then turn around and post something that is just as unbelievable is wrong....plain and simple.

To Address the Points Made by Mellian and covered by History Guy

The Spartans are not invincible, contrary to what people believe. They may seem hard-core, but that is how they are in the game! Their militarism in BAC represents their faction and beliefs. A disciplined military is a very dangerous foe, but they are not "unbeatable".....sorry Sprayber! Just because they are elite doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot be killed. Sure, they may be harder to get rid of, but it is possible.

The Drones and the Temple are another matter. The temple is a subplot within Mr. Presidents story. Maybe PM him would help clarify questions about it. I, for one, do not see this as a threat or unbeatable weapon. I see it as the Drone's exploring the temple and this is IMHO, a good alternative to the "war-footing" everyone seems to be on right now.

The University. In the game, the UoP is the first ones to discover "Secrets of the Human Brain" (or whatever close to this). Would they not think of new technology to use? The "super-ships" are not indestructable! Like the Spartans, it may take more effort to get rid of them, but it can be done. There is no super-omega-cannot touch me technology that they have created because, quite frankly, it is impossible. Besides, numerically planet-wise, they have one of the least amount.

Protectorate. Ok, maybe some things were not totally realistic but Lonestar has apologized for the time machine tech and will hopefully rectify his error. I do not think he thinks his faction is unbeatable. Keeping quiet all these centuries is hard, but he has changed much of his initial idea's (moving to Beta Hydri, for example) and he has been cooperative in his postings.

Believers. Faith is very strong when in the hands of the desperate. (Sorry Silence if you take this the wrong way!) Initial surprise was on the Believers. But now that surprise is gone and things should balance out.

Morgans. Coming from a Hiver this is the most difficult to say...The Morganites have not encroached into Sol Space. Capella is far off from the Terran worlds so taking it shouldn't be a problem. I have supported the Terrans taking Samnos and Naxos (Me, the author) because of S and N's relative closeness to Sol Space. Now, Sprayber and History Guy have made precautions so no more Moganite territory will be taken as easily as S and N, which is realistic enough. When you are attacked, it is natural to beef up defense after the initial loss.
Even though ppl may think the Morganites are "softies" they are not. Relatively speaking, they may be less ferocious or aggressive as a Spartan or Hiver, they are good combatants in their own right.

Pirates. I don't think they are untouchable. As Mellian says, the individual leaders may be slippery and hard to catch, but the pirate forces themselves are not. You can eliminate one part of the clan, but with resources spread all over the place, it would be rather hard to get rid of them all. It's like an ant colony. You can kill those you see but to get rid of them all, you have to go and eliminate every single one.

Lastly, the Hive. I have been (or least think I have) careful to make sure the Hive is not a "super entity". I have tried to be fair in how people perceive the Hive and its motives. Our quality is low, but quantity high. The only things that I have expressed is secrecy. This is something that gives the Hive the edge, so to speak. If we did not have secrecy, anyone could just come in with OVERWHELMING force and destroy us. The old saying "What you don't know, CAN hurt you" comes into play here. Just to say one last things about quality/quantity. It is only natural that at the top, things should be the best so these are the elite, meaning they can compete quality-wise with other factions. But since this Hiv-quality is rare, it is only reserved for special circumstances.

I just want everyone to know that if you think something should change on my behalf, just PM me! I am really accepting to other idea's (Lonestar calling Hive Prime the Throneworld for example!) and will modify my look on things.

Just so long as people consult with me first! If decisions are made on my behalf without me knowing, I tend to get upset....a character flaw I try to change.

I hope this post does not seem like an attack on anyone because it is not. I am looking at each of your arguments objectively and without bias. Lets try not to jump the gun on things and clarify our stance on events before we start going on the offensive....please?

Well, this post is bringing me down so here's one last thing.

I enjoy seeing everyone post and collaborating with each other to help make this story work. Of course there's going to be problems because everyone thinks differently. Just remember to not take offense and remind people to pay attention to what you say before making comments about them. Collaborate with each other and I'm sure we can make everything work out!



Have a good week-end everyone!

(p.s. Cyber-good graphics!)
(p.p.s. Sprayber-thanks for putting up the pre-FTL timeline, I've been looking everwhere for it!)

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by frankychan

Protectorate. Ok, maybe some things were not totally realistic but Lonestar has apologized for the time machine tech and will hopefully rectify his error. I do not think he thinks his faction is unbeatable. Keeping quiet all these centuries is hard, but he has changed much of his initial idea's (moving to Beta Hydri, for example) and he has been cooperative in his postings.

Like to point out I stated from the begining that I would not use a time machine, or time machine tech that would fly off the handle of our pseudo-reality.

That is all.

Lastly, the Hive. I have been (or least think I have) careful to make sure the Hive is not a "super entity". I have tried to be fair in how people perceive the Hive and its motives. Our quality is low, but quantity high. The only things that I have expressed is secrecy. This is something that gives the Hive the edge, so to speak. If we did not have secrecy, anyone could just come in with OVERWHELMING force and destroy us. The old saying "What you don't know, CAN hurt you" comes into play here. Just to say one last things about quality/quantity. It is only natural that at the top, things should be the best so these are the elite, meaning they can compete quality-wise with other factions. But since this Hiv-quality is rare, it is only reserved for special circumstances.

Actually, the GHE has come across to me as the "Big boy on the block", the Superpower of the story.

But, whatever.

[Sovereign]

Guys....

GOOD NEWS

I finally posted a lengthy story post, concerning Randius's wake up from the coma.

I finally had time today to finish working on the post.

Lemme know what y'all think!




By the way, welcome to our forums, Centauri1B!

Feel free to PM me about Univ - Mars relations and perhaps trading. Maybe some cultural or technology trading as well.

with Centauri1B behind Mellian's back to get some Bio-Metal technology.

Just kidding Mellian.

[Kassiopeia]

First off, I apologise if I have insulted any of you fellows. Whatever it was, was definitely not my intention.

Secondly, I find it rather immature of people (glances at LMP) to be descending to using personal insults in this kind of situations.

Plus Kass we urgently need to discuss our agreements about the moons! How about we send you a message to start you off.

All right... Have been a bit preoccupied lately, sorry for that.

Btw, Cyber... If I catch the Saturnian Intelligence folks disseminating that propaganda on any Coalition facility, they'll shoot first and ask questions later on.

And, I hope no-one objects if I have SC Wakazashi get overly pissed off at the TAF - Kerensky and others? He really doesn't appreciate the TAF nosing in on everything (but hey, it's his opinion, not mine).

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Mellian
Sorry for being blunt and offensive, but your thinking and creative skills is pretty low.

Thanks, this really helps.

What is do wrong for TA to succeed?

Nothing. What is wrong is to have a lack of communication, and to convey an aura of invinicbility. They have biometal. They have battlecruisers that take thirteen torpedo hits and don't die. They have infiltrated every other faction, and no other faction (by your own words) has infiltrated them.

look at the drones and their alien temple,

The Temple is internal to the Drones and does not affect other plotlines. It is not wiping out fleets and smashing defence perimeters.

Data Angels as the best intelligence network

That may be a fact. But they convinced the convoy that they were friendly ships. If I recall correctly, the post mentions that the hijackers' ships were also stolen at a previous date. Is there no such thing as a registry, where the convoy's commander would have checked the ships' ID?





But why am I even bothering? The problem is one of perception as much as anything else. As long as purposes are as crossed as they seem to be, we're going to be arguing continuously.

I regret to give notice that my participation in Beyond Alpha Centauri has come to an end.

Fans of The Hunt should stay tuned for more action there.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian
sorry for the insult, but i do think it is insulting that i talk about what actions I will do and then have to repeat myself, as if no one was paying attention to what i said when i was talking about it. Also insulting that i seem to be attacked for nearly everything single thing in the story, that this and that is too strong, unrealistic and so on. Yes, i do it myself, but not for every single thing and personally, i see nothing wrong with my actions. terran alliance is technicly has more disadvantages then the chironian factions yet people still complain. Pirates are not that strong, yet people complain they too strong after one event and another coming out? it is insulting to me that people like putting words into my mouth, and exagerate.

If people think the pirates and TA is too strong, well, woa oh oh... look at those invincible Spartans that cannot be defeated just because they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, look at the drones and their alien temple, look at University and super ships and high tech stuff, look at the Protectorate that was able to hide for so long without rest of humanity discovering them and discovering a parralel bubble dimension with a disabled time machine that emittes a lot of chrono particles, oh look the believer mercenaries easily running over the stupid highly trained TAF ships.... look at the morganites able to pull off a stunt like sending a fleet right into Sol luckily not hitting anything and quickly take over, look at those Chironian ships moving about human space in hours time practically!!!

anyway,m will be away from comp this weekend...

later,
-Mellian

1. What you said was out of line by any stretch of the imagination

2. What people are mad about the Pirates are that you wrote the scenerio without asking for input from the people you were stealing the ships from. You just did it. You made up procedures that you thought the other factions would have again without asking. That is what upset people the most. You wouldn't appreaciate too much if a Spartan fleet went into sol and just did things without allowing you to have input. But the Pirates did.

3. IIRC History Guy and Kass actually talked about what each side would do in each if the engagements. Franky and History guy discussed what they would do. Silance actually asked what the SOGs could do.

4. Have you asked Mr. President what the alien temple story was for? Has he stated his intention of using it to destroy the Terrans?

Kass It wasn't you I was talking about

[Kassiopeia]

Kass It wasn't you I was talking about

Just making sure...