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Mellian,
You bring up several valid points.
Grab a cup of coffee, some snacks, and a nice pillow.
Prepare yourselves for a lengthy post, providing valid reasons to back up my choices for UCS, as well as counters to Mellian's points.
First, I stated that one species did at first resist the UCS for a while. They are called the Guado.
Besides, I'm basing the Guado and Al-Bhed on a possible evolutionary tree. I mean, people in real life have wondered if the Nearthendrals were still alive today. Then we would have TWO human races at the same time.
However, Spira has similiar climate as Earth, with Ice Ages, jungles, deserts, forests, etc. A strange kind of scaled primate, a cross between orangutan and a lizard, evolved on that planet. Then the primate divided into two sub-species. The Spira world had several creatures that developed PSI, similiar to Mind Worms on Chiron.
One sub-species evolved defenses and PSI combat, to compete with the PSI creatures on the contient of origin. That eventually becomes the Guado species.
The other sub-species emigrated to another contienent during an Ice Age, where PSI creatures didn't exist. These non-PSI primates initially had difficulty foraging for food, so they had to use sticks or rocks to break open nuts. Chimpanzees are known to do this in real life Earth Then they eventually evolved into the Al-Bhed.
Mellian, you're assuming that these peoples are like humans in reproduction with 1 - 3 kids per married couple. The Ronso has several cubs at a birthing, like our tigers and cat species. And the Ronso is able to do it several times, creating prides of 20 Ronso over a lifetime. The Ronso by 2675 AD had approximately 750 million, thanks to their large Prides and Tribes. They were initially afraid of the UCS like the Guado, but realized that in the long run, UCS would be a huge benefactor. Thats called "common sense". However, they reject most technology as frivolous, yet enjoy access to other worlds and other systems to spread their Tribes and Prides. They're expansionist and tribal by nature.
The Al-Bhed were an technologically advanced civilization, comparable to WW2 era, but without nuclear bombs or spaceflight. Their civilization was ravaged, and had to rebuild their civilization. They had a population of 300 million globally at around 1700 AD, just before the Catastrophe. Then their population declined to around 50 million. The Al-Bhed reached a population of 400 million after 1,000 years, by the time UCS found them. They became extremely excited when UCS arrived, due to the fact that an superior technologically star spanning civilization existed. The Al-Bhed love technology and machinery, and saw the chance to surpass their ancient Pre-Catastrophe civilization level of sophiscation.
The Guado had similiar situations to the Al-Bhed, but due to their isolationist policies their population growth was sigificantly slower. There were approximately 350 million Guado by 2675.
In all, Spira had 1.5 billion by 2675. Then millions of UCS citizens MOVED to Spira, lured by the promise of beautiful locales, friendly locals, etc. That, in addition to UCS technology improving standards of life for the 3 alien civilizations, made Spira increase to 2.25 billion by 2701.
5 native systems... what I meant by that is in the context of Native Americans claiming to be native to America, when they actually emigrated. The UCS claimed 5 uninhabited systems over a period of almost 300 years.
Sparta has 6 systems, Morgans had 7, I think, before the TAF war, and Hive has like 10+.
Ever heard of Murphy's Law? A species with sufficiently advanced level of technology would seem to be magical or mythical to a less advanced species. The wider the technological advanced the species is, the more "godly" they will seem to the low tech species. Take for example, year 2002 technology being demostrated to Ancient Romans? They'd think we were the Olympic Gods.
This is true of ANY planet-bound civilization. This is mainly why the Spira civilizations were awed by the UCS, enough to join and be loyal to it.
Humans and Fraal, Progenitors, Bree, Gorn, etc... well, they all have some standard technologies. FTL travel, being enclosed in spaceships, energy generation, etc. Humans know that Fraal aren't gods despite their advanced technology, because they share several common characterstics, and would be comparable to 18th century technology civilization to a 21st century civilization.
In the 18th century, we had rifles and stuff. They haven't changed even up to 2002. Sure, we made them more effective, and soon perhaps laser ones. But the concept is still the same.
But if Babylon or Phoenicians saw rifles, they wouldn't even understand it, or even the concept of it. This proves Murphy's Law to be true.
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Ok, now onwards to disease and stuff. UCS always screen the planets for potential disease organisms. Remember medicine has advanced a lot in 700 years. Hell, they have Longveity Treatments! That level of medical sophisication enables UCS to screen for disease causing organisms, and send probes to gather the bacteria or viruses, and use vaccine technology to immunize the colonists.
Don't tell me that isn't possible.
If that isn't possible, then Longveity Treatments aren't possible either, since Longveity Treatments require a hell a lot higher medical technology than simple bacteria / virus vaccinations.
And if a new disease or virus crops up, UCS makes an immediate response. Quaratines the area, and finds the responible disease. With the level of technology that affords Longveity Vaccines, curing diseases is easy.
Another case in point, the Human Genome Project in SMAC, available to PK's in 2100 AD / MY... prevents Prometheus Epidemics. Surely, genetic engineering creates powerful T-cells to eliminate disease. In addition, gene engineering can be used to increase immune system effectiveness. Hell, they're doing it to PLANTS on farms in our real life world.
So diseases are a relatively minor, if existent, problem unless its nanological, which is doubtful unless we're waging some sort of Nano-Biological warfare?
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Natural Disasters. We have hurricanes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, etc. Right?
Sure, we lose some infrastructure, due to weakness in material. Most residential houses are made out of wood, which is easy to destroy in natural disasters.
Have you even seen a tornado or hurricane topple skycrapers?
Japan and California are implementing better and better "quake-resistant" or "quake-proof" buildings that roll as the quake occurs, preventing major damage.
University is talented with technology and its applications to engineering. So surely, by 2700, we'd have better material. Silksteel or Ceramstell houses, anyone? Skyrcrapers made out of Neutronium for University, weather resistant material, and surely, we'd have already developed better sensors to detect incoming geological disasters like earthquakes and volcano eruptions by 2700?
Earthquakes? counter with "rollers" or something similiar, that Japan is implementing.
Volcanic eruptions? counter with tempature and pressure resistant buildings. Then eat away the lava with nanites, streets good as new. Or, build undergound tunnels or cities in volcanic areas.
Hurricanes and Tornadoes? phffft. Silksteel, Ceramsteel, Neutronium are WAY more durable and stronger than wood and concrete. Gone are the days of houses tipping over, walls being shattered, houses being torn up, etc.
Ion storms? Electromagentic protection.
Floods? Build levees.
Poisonous gas? Breather masks or further terraforming.
Need I go on any more?
Weather and Natural Disasters: minor problem, if any at all.
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I think this covers pretty much most of the points Mellian made.
Laters, Academician Randius Zakharov
You bring up several valid points.
Grab a cup of coffee, some snacks, and a nice pillow.
Prepare yourselves for a lengthy post, providing valid reasons to back up my choices for UCS, as well as counters to Mellian's points.First, I stated that one species did at first resist the UCS for a while. They are called the Guado.
Besides, I'm basing the Guado and Al-Bhed on a possible evolutionary tree. I mean, people in real life have wondered if the Nearthendrals were still alive today. Then we would have TWO human races at the same time.
However, Spira has similiar climate as Earth, with Ice Ages, jungles, deserts, forests, etc. A strange kind of scaled primate, a cross between orangutan and a lizard, evolved on that planet. Then the primate divided into two sub-species. The Spira world had several creatures that developed PSI, similiar to Mind Worms on Chiron.
One sub-species evolved defenses and PSI combat, to compete with the PSI creatures on the contient of origin. That eventually becomes the Guado species.
The other sub-species emigrated to another contienent during an Ice Age, where PSI creatures didn't exist. These non-PSI primates initially had difficulty foraging for food, so they had to use sticks or rocks to break open nuts. Chimpanzees are known to do this in real life Earth
Then they eventually evolved into the Al-Bhed.Mellian, you're assuming that these peoples are like humans in reproduction with 1 - 3 kids per married couple.
The Ronso has several cubs at a birthing, like our tigers and cat species. And the Ronso is able to do it several times, creating prides of 20 Ronso over a lifetime. The Ronso by 2675 AD had approximately 750 million, thanks to their large Prides and Tribes. They were initially afraid of the UCS like the Guado, but realized that in the long run, UCS would be a huge benefactor. Thats called "common sense". However, they reject most technology as frivolous, yet enjoy access to other worlds and other systems to spread their Tribes and Prides. They're expansionist and tribal by nature. The Al-Bhed were an technologically advanced civilization, comparable to WW2 era, but without nuclear bombs or spaceflight. Their civilization was ravaged, and had to rebuild their civilization. They had a population of 300 million globally at around 1700 AD, just before the Catastrophe. Then their population declined to around 50 million. The Al-Bhed reached a population of 400 million after 1,000 years, by the time UCS found them. They became extremely excited when UCS arrived, due to the fact that an superior technologically star spanning civilization existed. The Al-Bhed love technology and machinery, and saw the chance to surpass their ancient Pre-Catastrophe civilization level of sophiscation.
The Guado had similiar situations to the Al-Bhed, but due to their isolationist policies their population growth was sigificantly slower. There were approximately 350 million Guado by 2675.
In all, Spira had 1.5 billion by 2675. Then millions of UCS citizens MOVED to Spira, lured by the promise of beautiful locales, friendly locals, etc. That, in addition to UCS technology improving standards of life for the 3 alien civilizations, made Spira increase to 2.25 billion by 2701.
5 native systems... what I meant by that is in the context of Native Americans claiming to be native to America, when they actually emigrated.
The UCS claimed 5 uninhabited systems over a period of almost 300 years.Sparta has 6 systems, Morgans had 7, I think, before the TAF war, and Hive has like 10+.
Ever heard of Murphy's Law?
A species with sufficiently advanced level of technology would seem to be magical or mythical to a less advanced species. The wider the technological advanced the species is, the more "godly" they will seem to the low tech species. Take for example, year 2002 technology being demostrated to Ancient Romans? They'd think we were the Olympic Gods. This is true of ANY planet-bound civilization. This is mainly why the Spira civilizations were awed by the UCS, enough to join and be loyal to it.
Humans and Fraal, Progenitors, Bree, Gorn, etc... well, they all have some standard technologies. FTL travel, being enclosed in spaceships, energy generation, etc. Humans know that Fraal aren't gods despite their advanced technology, because they share several common characterstics, and would be comparable to 18th century technology civilization to a 21st century civilization.
In the 18th century, we had rifles and stuff. They haven't changed even up to 2002. Sure, we made them more effective, and soon perhaps laser ones. But the concept is still the same.
But if Babylon or Phoenicians saw rifles, they wouldn't even understand it, or even the concept of it. This proves Murphy's Law to be true.
-------------------------------------------------------
Ok, now onwards to disease and stuff. UCS always screen the planets for potential disease organisms. Remember medicine has advanced a lot in 700 years. Hell, they have Longveity Treatments! That level of medical sophisication enables UCS to screen for disease causing organisms, and send probes to gather the bacteria or viruses, and use vaccine technology to immunize the colonists.
Don't tell me that isn't possible.
If that isn't possible, then Longveity Treatments aren't possible either, since Longveity Treatments require a hell a lot higher medical technology than simple bacteria / virus vaccinations. And if a new disease or virus crops up, UCS makes an immediate response. Quaratines the area, and finds the responible disease. With the level of technology that affords Longveity Vaccines, curing diseases is easy.
Another case in point, the Human Genome Project in SMAC, available to PK's in 2100 AD / MY... prevents Prometheus Epidemics. Surely, genetic engineering creates powerful T-cells to eliminate disease. In addition, gene engineering can be used to increase immune system effectiveness. Hell, they're doing it to PLANTS on farms in our real life world.
So diseases are a relatively minor, if existent, problem unless its nanological, which is doubtful unless we're waging some sort of Nano-Biological warfare?
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Natural Disasters. We have hurricanes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, etc. Right?
Sure, we lose some infrastructure, due to weakness in material. Most residential houses are made out of wood, which is easy to destroy in natural disasters.
Have you even seen a tornado or hurricane topple skycrapers?
Japan and California are implementing better and better "quake-resistant" or "quake-proof" buildings that roll as the quake occurs, preventing major damage.
University is talented with technology and its applications to engineering. So surely, by 2700, we'd have better material. Silksteel or Ceramstell houses, anyone? Skyrcrapers made out of Neutronium for University, weather resistant material, and surely, we'd have already developed better sensors to detect incoming geological disasters like earthquakes and volcano eruptions by 2700?
Earthquakes? counter with "rollers" or something similiar, that Japan is implementing.
Volcanic eruptions? counter with tempature and pressure resistant buildings. Then eat away the lava with nanites, streets good as new. Or, build undergound tunnels or cities in volcanic areas.
Hurricanes and Tornadoes? phffft.
Silksteel, Ceramsteel, Neutronium are WAY more durable and stronger than wood and concrete. Gone are the days of houses tipping over, walls being shattered, houses being torn up, etc.Ion storms? Electromagentic protection.
Floods? Build levees.
Poisonous gas? Breather masks or further terraforming.
Need I go on any more?
Weather and Natural Disasters: minor problem, if any at all.
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I think this covers pretty much most of the points Mellian made.
Laters, Academician Randius Zakharov
I don't think it really matters how big our pop is since not even the Hive citizens know. Like she says, they just know that the GHE is really big.
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