Beyond Alpha Centauri:::: Discussion Thread 4

[Mellian]

[LMP-- OK. Morgan will be ticked by any sign of betrayal, but he won't attack the Novans if they simply turn around and run. If they make an attack, Morgan will react. His intelligence is his best asset, and with his intelligence he can, and probably will get to Nova at some time or another. I'll wait for you to post before I have Morgan react in any way.

No, your not getting Joe Nova he is a important pirate character... anyway, happy hunting, will be hard to get to him.... if the Spartans and others hasn't succeeded to get Kane, what makes you think Morgan will be able to get Joe Nova? (french keyboards are annoying)

If the Novans fire a single shot, the orbital platforms won't be so surprised that they'll just sit there waiting. They are on full alert. It's true that they are expecting to roast some Terrans, but they'd just as well roast some Pirates, and they could do it just as easily. Your guys will get away even if they do fire a shot, but a good number of them will be whipped if they try anything fancy!

Is the infamous data angel pre-sentient algorithm virus used to disable and limitly control the Drone military convoy fancy enough for you? The Novans had enough time to plant their seeds on the Morganite ships How? via communication. When i say unconventional, i do mean it. I don`t think there was enough time elapse for the Spartans and Drones to discovered how the Data Angel disabled the convoy and create ways against it... Data Angels are creative, and are in league with the pIrates.

-Mellian

[Mr. President]

I'm still not happy with the convoy hijacking. I think it was just a little bit too easy. You told us to use realism and common sense, and then you pull out something about hacking an advanced computer with some hand-waving algorithm, boarding the ship with space-walking troops, and then fighting off Spartan soldiers, the best in the galaxy, to get it away.

Wanna talk instant travel times? How long was the Terran Alliance "blitzkrieg" in transit from Earth to Samnos?

I'm getting pretty tired of this kind of thing.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Franky From the post, I hope you don't think that Kessel thinks the Hive is weak, he is concerned but he is playing it cool for now.

History Guy I guess the comm link with get there after you get it from Lonestar. But maybe it will reinforce the idea of Sparta is sharing information. That post was assuming that Sparta has been informed about the Protectorate, if only in vague terms. Kessel was just sowing a little discord Yangs way.

Oh no Sprayber,

Sorry if it sounds like that! I felt that the direction the Hive was going was getting too "bright". I want to make the Hive more "dark" in terms of theme and character....sorry if it sounds like that.

No, I don't think Kessel thinks the Hive is weak. I wanted to have Kessel taken aback by Yang's threatening demeanor...kinda like a aggressive isolationism.

Just wanted Yang to threaten Kessel a bit. Sorry if the post feels like it is "bossy".

History Guy- Soon! Gotta work something out w/Lonestar to have Hive ships exact revenge. Maybe a Protectorate shuttle or somethin...

[Frankychan]

as a side note, I'm glad some people out there saw "The Emperor's Rules"

BTW,

How the heck did you get all that kick arse pics on your website Sprayber? What kind of graphics program are u using?

[Mellian]

I'm still not happy with the convoy hijacking. I think it was just a little bit too easy. You told us to use realism and common sense, and then you pull out something about hacking an advanced computer with some hand-waving algorithm, boarding the ship with space-walking troops, and then fighting off Spartan soldiers, the best in the galaxy, to get it away.

How is it to easy? how is it unrealistic? be specific... what is wrong with implanting a pre-sentient algorithm created by the Data Angels, known to be the best hackers and probes, on the ships via communication? Are you telling me 'mission impossible' type missions and pull it off is not possible? Besides, they had enough time to do that and for the virus to stealthily infect the computer systems of the ships. What is so wrong with the space troops??? They are Gears with thruster packs and Breach Pods were use too... what is so unrealistic with those? Pirates are known for their boarding. The Spartans may have the reputation of being the best soldiers in the galaxy, but doesn't mean they are invincible or impossible to defeat.

Wanna talk instant travel times? How long was the Terran Alliance "blitzkrieg" in transit from Earth to Samnos?

From Sol in general technicly... and the travel time wasn't instant, they been in travel for a two days or so..and just before they came out of FTL, TA sent their declaretion of war... what is so unrealistic about that? It is possible to figure out how long it takes to get one place to another...and jumping right into the system was dangerous as well, but it was scouted out before. And since it is not possible to detect incoming ships in FTL, they had no way to know they were coming. The blitzkrieg should only work once the attacks begins....

I'm getting pretty tired of this kind of thing.

yes well, I have been talking about what would happen in the Pirate intro and TA attacks for sometime before they were actually posted...didn't got any complaints then.

EDIT: hey, you did say that there wasn't much to do with the Drones, well, there is the Pirates to be delt with

-Mellian

[Mr. President]

I got the impression the Pirates can't be scratched. Like you said above, no-one's managed to damage Kane or Nova. Is it reasonable that they can cause such problems for superpowers like Sparta? Looking at the map of the Orion Arm there are very few places to hide. Where do they run to? How do the ship-stealers travel along known trade routes without being detected?

What if someone were to do the same thing to the Terran Alliance or the Pirates? You'd say it was farfetched at best.

And now Joe Nova's asked for asylum in Alliance territory. If you expect all our charges to recognize the Alliance as the victim in the war with Morgan, you should have no problem with all the factions regarding the Alliance as a rogue state that harbors buccaneers.

Speaking of the Alliance, where did the "blitzkrieg" come from anyway? The systems are near Alliance territory and prime targets for retaliation. Do we assume Morgan has no-one to tell him these things? The Alliance charges in unsighted, macerating Morgans, blasting Believers, smashing Spartans.

If I'm overly blunt I'm sorry, but from here the field does not look even. Is there any way to guard computer systems against Angel hackers? Is there any way to defend against roving pirates? Is there any way to beat back a Terran Alliance blitzkrieg? Not that I can tell.

[GeneralTacticus]

Two more posts done. Next one will have the civil war begin in earnest.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by frankychan
I'm still not happy with the convoy hijacking. I think it was just a little bit too easy. You told us to use realism and common sense, and then you pull out something about hacking an advanced

computer with some hand-waving algorithm, boarding the ship with space-walking troops, and then fighting off Spartan soldiers, the best in the galaxy, to get it away.

Wanna talk instant travel times? How long was the Terran Alliance "blitzkrieg" in transit from Earth to Samnos?

I'm getting pretty tired of this kind of thing

My next post will deal with this. Security will be thightened. Mellian, there will be no more single Spartan ships on patrol. Standard procedure for a convoy with equipment like that will be a minimum of 15 Spartan warships. And dont think you can take on 3 warlocks and supporting craft and not expect heavy losses. If the Pirates want to steal something from now on they will pay for it in heavy losses. Kessel will offer to extend protection inside Drone territory until further arrangements can be made. He will also offer a Spartan Marine Battallion to the Drones to pe placed on cargo and transport ships that transport sensitive equipment. That and a fleet will begin to take shape for the purpose of Pirate hunting among other things.

Originally posted by frankychan
Sorry if it sounds like that! I felt that the direction the Hive was going was getting too "bright". I want to make the Hive more "dark" in terms of theme and character....sorry if it sounds like that.

No, I don't think Kessel thinks the Hive is weak. I wanted to have Kessel taken aback by Yang's threatening demeanor...kinda like a aggressive isolationism.

Just wanted Yang to threaten Kessel a bit. Sorry if the post feels like it is "bossy".

Next post will deal with that with Kessel getting uneasy about the message. But he couldn't very well act shocked or uneasy in front of his people.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Who is this Guardian character that keeps popping up in the thread every now and then.

Guardian? Where??

By the way... how do I read the map??

Oh! Never mind... (I just found a key at Kass' page )

Next question: Do I need to have all my background stuff done before posting anything in the story or can I do it a bit at a time as long as I use common sense and don't break any rules?

[Kassiopeia]

I am fortunate enough to be unentangled in Alliance affairs. Because the last thing I'd have time to do is sort that stuff out.
Eh, just popped in to read the latest threads to make sure my post will be up to date. Oh, I should edit my earlier story posts a bit...
Can we agree that the EC never declared war on Conclave?

By the way... how do I read the map??

Oh! Never mind... (I just found a key at Kass' page)

Glad to be of help.
Had forgotten the whole Stellar cartography section, actually.

[History Guy]

LMP-- OK...but we'll get some Pirates before the whole story ends far far in the future, right?? Two or three maybe?

Man, if such a primative, dirty little bunch as the Novans can get away from just about anything, it looks like the Morganites, Spartans, and Drones are safe from every single thing that might possibly be considered remotely dangerous.

Franky-- Great!!!

Mr. President is still right. I think that the Pirates are far too powerful in their own little way. While the Morganites are being batted around the Corporate Sector, the Hive is retaliating against the Protectorate, and the Spartans and Drones are loosing convoys, it looks like the Novans can do just about anything they care to and not get caught.

Guardian-- There you are again you slippery little devil!

I'd suggest just posting something quickly just to get the Peacekeepers in the story, start to develop the plot or something to that effect. Then you might want to post somethings in the datalinks about Peacekeepers and how they are run today and who the main characters are.

I am fortunate enough to be unentangled in Alliance affairs.

Oooh, ya lucky little guy!

[Kassiopeia]

Oooh, ya lucky little guy!

So true... Twas close, considering I was the only one writing for them for a while.

[Mellian]

I got the impression the Pirates can't be scratched. Like you said above, no-one's managed to damage Kane or Nova.

the person themselves or their clans? if person, only other pirates and past missions they played tango got some personal injuries... but as the clan, never said anywhere they cannot or anyone never damaged them... I said no one succeeded in eliminating them... possible to cause some damage, but doesn't mean you cripple them. When a clan is being hunted down, they seperate and go all over the place...so they don't get nailed all together in one shot.

Is it reasonable that they can cause such problems for superpowers like Sparta? Looking at the map of the Orion Arm there are very few places to hide. Where do they run to? How do the ship-stealers travel along known trade routes without being detected?

Kane, his clan and following clans..nicknamed the Kane Bloc, is becoming more and more of a problem to a superpower like the Spartans. Pirates are not able to go fleet to fleet and take over systems....but they can cause damage and annoyances.
as for where they can hide, many places! BAC map doesn't show all of the stars within the 50ly radius of Sol, and there is also the z-axis as well. Pirates hide at the edge of systems, barren unclaimed systems, asteroid belts, barren or worser worlds, moons, around gas giants that are generally ignored, systems at the edge of human space, systems far up or far down in the z-axis, hide in independent systems, and hide in low defended faction systems...especially ones that don't have proper sensor arrays to cover the whole system, and etc... still plenty of room to hide

What if someone were to do the same thing to the Terran Alliance or the Pirates? You'd say it was farfetched at best.

No

And now Joe Nova's asked for asylum in Alliance territory. If you expect all our charges to recognize the Alliance as the victim in the war with Morgan, you should have no problem with all the factions regarding the Alliance as a rogue state that harbors buccaneers.

The Novans didn't commit any war crimes and they are Mercenaries. Spartans/Drones won't like the Novans because captured the Drone military controlled merchant cruiser and involved in the lost of the Spartan Warlock, and hired by Kane. With the Morganites, the Novans broke their contract with them and got a better one from the Terrans...and took advantage of the previous contract which have them best of positions to pull off their next stunt. Kerensky still hasn't replied back to Nova, so no response yet concerning letting the Novans in TA territory...also, he didn't exactly informed the TA Council just yet that the TAF hired mercenaries out of the blue....which he done so he doesn't need to fight them and be able to take the morganite positions more quickly from their advantagous positions. If the Morganites have a problem with the TAF stealing their mercenaries by giving a better offer, then they can complain at the peace negociations. Anyway, Novans could easily mingle with the Belters

Speaking of the Alliance, where did the "blitzkrieg" come from anyway? The systems are near Alliance territory and prime targets for retaliation. Do we assume Morgan has no-one to tell him these things? The Alliance charges in unsighted, macerating Morgans, blasting Believers, smashing Spartans.

why do i keep having the impression that you didn;'t seem to have read my past posts? TAF isn't infiltrated by anyone, due to their strict security checks and polices...and the TAF is a military organization with a lot of autonomy. TAF was the one leading the TA attacks, and the one making the plans....where the member forces were kept in the dark accept as to where to rendezvous...and since Sol is crowded with military ships, hard to tell wether they are getting ready for war, as they look that way naturally. only took under a week to organize the forces, and once it is time to leave, that is when the TAF tells them where and how they will attack, and then left right after. So for morgan intel to found out is pretty low. Also, TA isn't attacking the believers or spartans.

If I'm overly blunt I'm sorry, but from here the field does not look even. Is there any way to guard computer systems against Angel hackers? Is there any way to defend against roving pirates? Is there any way to beat back a Terran Alliance blitzkrieg? Not that I can tell.

Sorry for being blunt and offensive, but your thinking and creative skills is pretty low. Sure there is ways to defend against hacking and viruses.... but the pre-sentient algorithm was fairly new, so naturally people will develop ways to combat it, but not right away. Data Angels as the best intelligence network...yes ther is ways to combat them, but not entirally. No one is invincible in all or single areas. As for the blitzkrieg, it is the first time ever that TA attacks Chironian systems, and the attack are pretty well organized. My impression was that Chironians think the Terrans are idiots and low tech, so gets overconfident....until TA got them, smarting them up. What is do wrong for TA to succeed? first time they do anything positive, as before it was negatives.

-Mellian

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Guardian


Guardian? Where??

By the way... how do I read the map??

Oh! Never mind... (I just found a key at Kass' page )

Next question: Do I need to have all my background stuff done before posting anything in the story or can I do it a bit at a time as long as I use common sense and don't break any rules?

Don't worry about all your background. Just make a condensed version of your history of your factions development and interaction with other factions. Create a basic list of Characters that will be important. You can flesh out your faction as time goes on. Just give enough info so the others don't have to guess. Also you may want to have an opinon of the current war. so you may want to read up. Generally just talk to everyone and get your relationships down, cause the PKs are a large power in the sector.

Here is the early history leading up to the exodus from Chiron

2221-Progenators Land on Alpha Centauri

2301-Combined Spartan-Pirate-Peacekeeper-Hive armies overrun the last Progenitor stronghold. Conqueror Marr interred in a punishment sphere. University instrumental in providing technological support to Human Alliance.

2303-Morganites-Gaians-Believers are given back lands formerly liberated by Human armies.

2336-Universty and Morgans become the first factions to colonize Nessus and Pholus.

2354-Spartan and Hive forces attempt take over of Nessus mining operations.

2355-Moon Accords are finalized allowing Spartan and Hive to mine small portion of Nessus.

2379-Unversity scientist field first prototype FTL drive.

2381-Improved version of FTL drive is completed. Data Angel probes steal design for first prototype drive. Information is spread across Chiron.

2382-Spartans and Hive threaten war if all information on the new FTL is not released.

2384-University is forced to release information but withholds vital specifications about minerals need to power the drive. At least four different ores are found to work but University only mentions Kalciate as mineral needed.

2388-Peacekeepers attempt to get the factions to agree on equal shares of the FTL drive technology. Spartans and University refuse to cooperate with each other. The Hive-Spartan alliance crumbles and the two factions start small scale fighting. University is relieved of the Spartan Hive threat.

2390-University, with Morgan financial backing, produced the first fully operational FTL ship.

2399-Morgan and University begin production on Colony and Mining ships.

2400-Spartans and Hive launch separate attacks on University territory. Peacekeepers intervene on behalf of the University.

2401-Spartans launch first space attack on a University-Morgan space station. Two completed FTL ships are captured.

2402-Ceasefire is declared and peace returns to Chiron. FTL treaty is signed.

2406-Cyborg Scientists prefect first FTL Comm device. Information is shared to all factions but gets little fanfare initially. (Cyborgs will always seem to be able to communicate better than every other human faction.)

2417-Morgans move their headquarters off of Chiron and become the first faction to leave Chiron. They retain a few assets on Chiron and Nessus, But majority of Morgan employees move with Headquarters.

2420-University sets up their headquarters off world as well. Find out of the way planet to continue research. They maintain relations with Morganites and Peacekeepers.

2424-Spartans join exodus off planet. They wonder for years to find the right planet to take.

2428-Spartans land at Spartan Point on a planet they name Sparta Prime.



Here are my entries about the one PK Spartan war.

2605-Spartans move in on the independent Tyre system and force the small colonly to become Spartan possesion. Spartan territory adds five systems. None of which suitable for habitation but provide location for Sparta's first station outside the Spartan Home System. Sensor posts are set up along Spartan border. New Caladon is almost entirely enclosed in Spartan territory except for small corridor. Sparta warns PKs to leave New Caladon Pks only reinforce planet further.

2609-Peecekeeper buildup on Coventry is detected by Spartan spies. Coventry is a heavly populated PK planet wedged between Spartan territory and neutral space.

2611-Spartans lauch attack on Coventry. Initial defeat of Peeckeeper fleet is reversed when Spartans face heavy opposition after landing. Spartans take Coventry's moon instead and establish outpost there.

2612-Spartans take New Caladon with little resistence beyond work stoppages.

2613-Peecekeeper Fleet departs Chiron headed out towards Coventry. Coventry resists Spartan attempts to subdue resistence. Spartans only succeed in holding 55% of planet. Peecekeeper Fleet arrives as peace treaty is being finalized. Spartans withdraw from Coventry and its moon. Spartans keep New Caladon as part of the peace treaty.

[Cybergod]

AHEMMM!!!!!

do you think that Nicholas' son should be born soon? This is crutial to my story

Plus Kass we urgently need to discuss our agreements about the moons! How about we send you a message to start you off




















(just to get some attention)
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