MLB HOF voting results

[Ben Kenobi]

DO you have a truth machine that tells you for sure who was clean and who was not? I didn't think so.

Do we have evidence that Bonds, and Clemens used PEDs? Yes. Does that mean that their accomplishments are tainted in the light of peers who did not use them? Also yes. I don't see why we should preferentially reward players that cheated over ones who did not and still performed at a high level. If that means excluding some people from the hall, then so be it.

There's nothing that says the hall has to let anyone in. There's plenty of solid candidates that deserve enshrinement and they will be honored. Perhaps once all those people are in, then, maybe then, Bonds and Clemens will get some consideration.

Palmiero is the first casulty and he won't be the last.

There are plenty of decent players who are out of the hall. Mullane, etc. They are much greater tragedies than players who were pretty good but needed PEDs to get over the hump. Maybe we can have a hall of the pretty decent players who used PEDs and gained an edge.

[rah]

So I guess your answer is no.

[Ben Kenobi]

Apparently rah believes everyone does it. What evidence do you have for this statement?

[rah]

Again dishonest ben. Where have i said i believe everyone does it? Go back and reread. I said

do we really actually know who did and who didn't?

My point is that we don't know for sure. You must really be dense because I refuse to believe you're that stupid. But I could be wrong.

[SlowwHand]

We don't know every thief either, rah. People are only punished if they're caught.

[rah]

That will be relevant when we start electing thieves to the Hall of Fame.


Seriously though,
So you don't have a problem with players that use getting into the hall of fame, as long as they don't get caught?
Is suspicion enough? Where do we draw the line?

[Imran Siddiqui]

We have admitted cheaters in the Hall. The spitball pitchers for one.

[rah]

I'm sure they're not the only cheaters. But yes, good point. I have no problems with comments in the hall. These years steroids were commonly used or These years speed use was common.
But to think that we know for sure who cheated and who didn't seems a bit silly.

Besides the self admitted ones, we should only let the BEST cheaters into the hall. Those that didn't get caught.

[MRT144]

I can't wait till baseball becomes a clear 3rd tier sport behind arena football. It takes itself so seriously.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't think you are going to be alive for another 500 years.

[Berzerker]

I used speed in sports after my competitive days were over, it kicks ass and truly is a performance enhancer.

didn't make me run faster though but it was great for playing the infield

[MRT144]

I don't think you are going to be alive for another 500 years.

LOL, alright imran. I'll raise the stakes and lessen the criteria.

If by the time we're both in our 70s, baseball is as popular then as it is now by various rate metrics relating to attendance and media viewership, I will take you to a game of your choice at the stadium of your choice.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you don't have a problem with players that use getting into the hall of fame, as long as they don't get caught?

I'd like to see evidence you have for Maddux using PEDs.

[rah]

And where did I say he did. Do you even read before you post.
I said

My point is that we don't know for sure. You must really be dense because I refuse to believe you're that stupid. But I could be wrong.

I starting to lean towards that stupid.

Do you know 100% that he didn't? If I had to bet I'd bet on him being clean but again we don't know for sure.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If by the time we're both in our 70s, baseball is as popular then as it is now by various rate metrics relating to attendance and media viewership, I will take you to a game of your choice at the stadium of your choice.

Deal! And if not, I'll.... take to you an arena football game of your choice?

After all, baseball has never been more popular attendance wise and money wise.