MLB 2013!!

[snoopy369]

You're welcome.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, perhaps he plans to be in win-now mode sooner than 5 years from now and things Anibal worth that?

He obviously isn't. He's been still interested in dealing the bigger contracts away (ie, Dempster).

He's consistently said this is long game he's playing.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Latest rumor is Toronto is in the running for R.A. Dickey. It would involve the Mets sending Dickey and catcher Josh Thole and a prospect to Toronto for catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud, pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard, catcher John Buck, and a prospect.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And an extension has been reached with Dickey for $25mil/2 years. The deal with Toronto is all but done.

[snoopy369]

He obviously isn't. He's been still interested in dealing the bigger contracts away (ie, Dempster).

He's consistently said this is long game he's playing.

Eh, I listen to Chicago sports talk radio more often than you He has said he thinks 2015-2016 is the reasonable range for competitiveness (so, within 5 years). And who knows... the white sox weren't supposed to be in the division race last year after all

[snoopy369]

And an extension has been reached with Dickey for $25mil/2 years. The deal with Toronto is all but done.

Latest rumor is Toronto is in the running for R.A. Dickey. It would involve the Mets sending Dickey and catcher Josh Thole and a prospect to Toronto for catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud, pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard, catcher John Buck, and a prospect.

Interesting. I like the trade for NYM. For Toronto, I think it's a good move if and only if they think this is what puts them over the top for 2013 (and perhaps 2014) for the AL East division crown. Which is possible, I suppose; the Yankees are getting a bit older and not really looking like world-beaters any more (no more A-Rod, or at least not a superstar any more; mediocre pitching; Jeter's getting old, and their outfield is good-but-not-great). And there are probably only a year or two left until Boston is competitive again... Tampa is the other major threat right now, so staying at least ahead of TB requires some good pitching, and they're getting closer to that. We'll see - if they win the division one of the next two years, I say the trade is worth that (even if it mortgages the future to some extent). TOR doesn't need to win every year, but they need something to show fans for their support for the last several years of being good-but-not-good-enough.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Eh, I listen to Chicago sports talk radio more often than you

I'd argue that's more of a detriment . Using sports talk radio to bolster anything is suspect .

Interesting. I like the trade for NYM. For Toronto, I think it's a good move if and only if they think this is what puts them over the top for 2013 (and perhaps 2014) for the AL East division crown. Which is possible, I suppose; the Yankees are getting a bit older and not really looking like world-beaters any more (no more A-Rod, or at least not a superstar any more; mediocre pitching; Jeter's getting old, and their outfield is good-but-not-great). And there are probably only a year or two left until Boston is competitive again... Tampa is the other major threat right now, so staying at least ahead of TB requires some good pitching, and they're getting closer to that. We'll see - if they win the division one of the next two years, I say the trade is worth that (even if it mortgages the future to some extent). TOR doesn't need to win every year, but they need something to show fans for their support for the last several years of being good-but-not-good-enough.

Toronto definitely going for their "window". I think it may be a disappointment if they don't win the World Series within the next 3-5 years... unless they plan to spend this much going forward? Kind of like the Tigers in that way.

[snoopy369]

No, I think they are in it for now, and will be out in a few years one way or the other.

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow, Deacon White elected to the BBHoF! Congrats to Deacon.

[Demonbinder]

Here are the results from this years HOF balloting:

Player Votes Pct
Craig Biggio 388 68.2
Jack Morris 385 67.7
Jeff Bagwell 339 59.6
Mike Piazza 329 57.8
Tim Raines 297 52.2
Lee Smith 272 47.8
Curt Schilling 221 38.8
Roger Clemens 214 37.6
Barry Bonds 206 36.2
Edgar Martinez 204 35.9
Alan Trammell 191 33.6
Larry Walker 123 21.6
Fred McGriff 118 20.7
Dale Murphy 106 18.6
Mark McGwire 96 16.9
Don Mattingly 75 13.2
Sammy Sosa 71 12.5
Rafael Palmeiro 50 8.8

Glad that Bonds, McGwire, etc. didn't get in on first time around. One guy I would like to see in there is Lee Smith.

[Ben Kenobi]

Says it all, Demonbinder, that Deacon White is the only player elected. Says it all. Now Maddux will get in next year and that might be it for the 'roid generation.

[-Jrabbit]

Says it all, Demonbinder, that Deacon White is the only player elected. Says it all. Now Maddux will get in next year and that might be it for the 'roid generation.

You're wrong, Ben. The steroiders will eventually get in. Clemens and Bonds are about halfway home in their first year of eligibility. They will certainly get in down the road. So will Piazza, the best-hitting catcher of all time. It will just take a few years.

Also, you forgot about Frank Thomas.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're wrong, Ben. The steroiders will eventually get in. Clemens and Bonds are about halfway home in their first year of eligibility. They will certainly get in down the road. So will Piazza, the best-hitting catcher of all time. It will just take a few years.

Also, you forgot about Frank Thomas.

Yes, true. But it will speak volumes if Maddux is the first one elected next year and everyone else has to wait. I think that will be an appropriate outcome.

Also, I hope Jack Morris is left out in the cold next year.

[-Jrabbit]

Hey, it looks like MLB is going to declare the "fake-to-third-then-throw-to-first" pickoff move, a balk!
Also, managers will now be allowed to bring an interpreter to the mound.

Both rule changes require approval by the players association...

[snoopy369]

I read that they'd force the fake-to-third move for the year (they can put it in place for a year w/o approval, apparently) and hope to get it approved for next year.

Definitely happy with both moves. Silly that they couldn't take an interpreter before, and the fake-to-third just looks dumb.