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    Do you have a pension?

    It's a simple question for which many Americans have a simple answer: not anymore. In this job market, you're lucky to get a halfway decent paycheck, never mind the details of pensions or health insurance. The buzzwords of today are furlough and salary freeze and layoffs. Pensions? Those are things of the past.

    The National Football League has come under rampant and warranted criticism for allowing its $9 billion industry to be officiated by under-qualified referees. It has become a joke that a league supposedly so concerned about player safety and the integrity of its game has allowed 48 regular-season games to be officiated by people who have no experience doing so.

    Their mistakes are well documented, and now a game has been decided on a blown call by the replacement refs. It is an embarrassment for the league and its owners.

    But this also has become an embarrassment to the 120 regular officials who have escaped this mess relatively free of blame. They are a party to this dispute. They are locked out, yes, but they have held strong on their demand for the continuation of a pension plan when many of the league's full-time employees and team employees already have converted to a 401(k) retirement plan.

    It is unrealistic for them to expect the NFL to continue a benefit for part-time employees that it no longer provides for many full-time employees. Sure, you can say the league -- and really, it is the 31 team owners and the Packers conglomeration -- is being greedy, but so, too, are the referees.

    They already average a $150,000 annual salary for their officiating jobs while having other careers. Being an NFL ref is not a bad gig. The league has offered to fly them to and from games in first class. It has offered reasonable pay increases.

    There are other things the officials reportedly want. The league wants to create a bench of three additional crews -- 21 additional officials -- who could replace officials who under-perform. The officials naturally don't want that.

    But the major sticking point -- the "blood issue," as ESPN.com NFL business columnist Andrew Brandt put it -- is the pension. The officials need to do what so many other employees of the league and its 32 teams have done, and let this one go.

    The game is suffering. Bad publicity is one thing. But after three full weeks of this nonsense, the game has changed. It has become more chippy. Players are pushing the rules. They are frustrated. Coaches are frustrated. The replacement officials get little respect, and for good reason. The replacements don't seem well-versed in the rulebook. They've been hesitant to make calls and appear too easily influenced.

    Each week, the frustration has escalated, and it is only going to get worse. Now, there has been an embarrassment on national television that cost the Packers a game. What's next? A massive brawl between opposing teams? Punches thrown? Mass ejections? It's bad enough that New England coach Bill Belichick grabbed at an official at the end of the Patriots' loss at Baltimore on Sunday, and that Washington offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan went after another in a hallway after the Redskins' loss to Cincinnati. That could look tame by the time this mess is resolved.

    The league has taken a huge public relations hit, but fans keep filling stadiums and TV ratings continue to grow. The NFL is a machine that will not back down because the data available proves it doesn't have to. Fans will flip on their televisions on Thursday night and watch the NFL's network presentation of the Ravens-Browns game, which -- if the past three weeks are any indication -- should take about four hours to complete with outrageous calls and a disrupted flow.

    The NFL and the owners aren't going to budge on this. They have absorbed the lion's share of the blame on this one, and deservedly so. But the regular officials need to be held accountable, too. They need to accept responsibility for their role in this debacle. They can come back, if they can find a reasonable middle ground.

    Do you have a pension? I don't know many people who still do.
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    • I have to agree with Cold Wizard on that article. Lots of people don't have pensions anymore.

      But to get back to the game last night, a lot of people are still talking about how the Pack are one of the best teams in the league. But are they really? Look at that first half where Rodgers got sacked eight times and that they had trouble scoring points not only in this game, but against the Bears (taking away any defensive TD's) and the fact that a bad pass interference call against the Seahawks last night led to the Packers TD. Yet, the Power Rankings all over the place still have them in the top 3-5 teams and a few reference the fact that if the bogus call at the end of the game had not occurred, they would be 2-1. I don't think it is a great offense and they should be ranked lower.

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      • I either read or heard something today about Rodgers saying the offense wasn't too far off from last year, just guys missing plays here and there be it the wrong route or bad throw, etc. I don't know what's wrong but I don't believe him.
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        • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          I'm not noticing any statistical correlation with the replacement refs vs the regular refs. Regular refs make crap calls all the time. Replacement refs are a convenient scapegoat.


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          • Show me some actual evidence that the referees at present are worse than the regular referees, not just "call A sucked", and we can go from there.
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            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
              Show me some actual evidence that the referees at present are worse than the regular referees, not just "call A sucked", and we can go from there.
              Is this guy for real?

              Oh yeah. You don't watch football. We all knew that.
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              • Regarding the article:

                This is a labor negotiation; any notions of "fairness" are laughable. The article reads like a league PR attempt, a slightly pathetic emotional appeal.

                The NFL can play hardball all they want, but every week will cost them credibility. And after the MNF debacle, at a constantly accelerating pace.

                The fact that pensions are no longer a standard business perq is irrelevant in this case. The NFL is not a standard business. This is not a failing industry desperately seeking to control costs. It is a massively successful cash machine, throwing its weight around.

                The NFL referees are highly trained, league-specific specialists for whom there are literally no adequate replacements. And these guys are not struggling to feed their families. They have no reason to give up the pensions fairly earned in previous negotiations.

                I hope they stand tall and stick it to The Man.
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                • Like everyone else, I am trying very hard not to pick up on your obvious troll, but I will give it one response and then ignore any further comments you have on the topic.

                  The statistics might very well show that these replacement refs call the same number of penalties as the regular refs and so the statistics alone would present that these refs are every bit as good as the regular. Anyone who has watched a game this year however, has seen more missed calls (calls that should have been made but weren't) and more phantom calls (calls that never should have been made that were) than in any game with the regular refs. Furthermore, the replacement refs have missed/made calls at key points in a game, that have significantly altered the outcome of games.

                  I don't criticize the effort they are making (I wouldn't want to be in their position), but to state that the statistics suggest that either referrees (regular or replacement) are the same and are calling the same game is rediculous on it's face, and undeserving of a response (and further demonstrates that some people put more emphasis on stats then they do on the actual game).
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                  • Don't forget their hesitation to make calls, the sway that player appeals have on them, confusion over rules (personal conduct penalty assessing 27 yards, extra timeouts being granted, etc.), and the eternity it has taken some times to get a call right/figure out where the ball should be placed.
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                    • I saw some stats today that show the number of penalties called are going up each game as are the number of reviews, but that is from game to game, not compared to last years stats. You would hope the trend would be the other way with less calls and less replays.

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                      • Why would you have that expectation? It's not rational.
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                        • Anyone who has watched a game this year however, has seen more missed calls (calls that should have been made but weren't) and more phantom calls (calls that never should have been made that were) than in any game with the regular refs. Furthermore, the replacement refs have missed/made calls at key points in a game, that have significantly altered the outcome of games.
                          Unfortunately this isn't an empirical observation. Do you have any empirical data to support this supposition?

                          but to state that the statistics suggest that either referrees (regular or replacement) are the same and are calling the same game is rediculous on it's face
                          It may be a ridiculous assertion - but your case is, as of yet, unproven.
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                          • Just heard there is some movement on talks with refs. They have reached agreement on using more refs as back ups.

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                            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                              Show me some actual evidence that the referees at present are worse than the regular referees, not just "call A sucked", and we can go from there.
                              Shut the **** up you idiot. Do you even watch football?
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                              • Obviously not
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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