NFL - Are You Ready For Some Football?! - Off Season

[Ben Kenobi]

I notice that in Albert's world, interceptions do not exist. Eli *knows* INTs.

Any comparison with any other player, has to have INTs included because that is what makes Eli stand out when compared with his QB brethren.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why do you think Cutler threw for 4500 yards? He had to! That doesn't mean he's good! That means his defense was so bad, and the RB situation was so terrible, that Shanahan did nothing but pass pass pass. ANYBODY can throw the ball 616 times, as Cutler did that year! That doesn't mean he's good!

Thank you. Which is why I have not and will not draft Cutler.

Eli gets you all the negatives of Cutler without the positives, a high peak capacity. So Cutler despite not being very good is still better than Eli.

[Ben Kenobi]

And what do you mean Eli throws more INTs than Cutler? Cutler has a 3.6% INT percentage. Eli's is 3.4%. It's a slight difference but Cutler throws more picks. They have identical 4.7% TD percentages, though. So on a TD-INT basis, Eli is slightly better.

Careerwise, or last season. Eli was the worst starting QB for picks last season of all QBs not named Brett Favre. Cutler was down because he didn't throw as much. Eli threw more, but coughed up more picks last season.

[Al B. Sure!]

The planet of QB awesomeness. All the QBs I have drafted have turned out to be pretty good. And that includes that Rivers fellow who I picked up in the second round who was the best QB last season.

Ask the Eli owners what it's like having him as your QB of suck? He can put out a good game. He can also throw up the worst games ever and make you lose. I don't want any part of that.

Flacco I drafted in the 6th round and he turned out pretty good. Garrard in the 14th and he was the same.

Who the hell cares about FANTASY football? What planet are you from where any of this matters?

We're talking real life here not fantasy football

And who cares what sort of fantasy team you had? You didn't even win the league!

In the highly competitive league I was in for a lot of money, I drafted Rivers, Flacco, and Eli and I won my league.

David Garrard? You really think David Garrard is better than Eli Manning? What the ****?

He was an absolute steal last season. I expect him to continue to progress. Eli? YMMV.

David Garrard is 33 years old. Hey did you know Garrard and Eli have something in common... they were both drafted by Tom Coughlin! Garrard way back when Coughlin coached the Jags. Garrard is not going to continue to progress.

And holy ****. Have you even heard of Blaine Gabbert? You know, the guy the Jacksonville Jaguars drafted last week in the 1st round?

Holy ****. Do you even know ANYTHING?!

[Ben Kenobi]

Albert:

Considering that I've watched way more games with Flutie in his prime, and you've never seen a CFL game, I suggest that it's you who's got no passing familiarity with his game.

[Al B. Sure!]

I notice that in Albert's world, interceptions do not exist. Eli *knows* INTs.

Any comparison with any other player, has to have INTs included because that is what makes Eli stand out when compared with his QB brethren.

That's why I ****ING pointed out that Cutler throws more picks per pass attempt, more picks per touchdown, or whatever else than Eli!

[Al B. Sure!]

Albert:

Considering that I've watched way more games with Flutie in his prime, and you've never seen a CFL game, I suggest that it's you who's got no passing familiarity with his game.

WHO THE **** IS TALKING ABOUT DOUG FLUTIE?!

ARE YOU INSANE?!

[Al B. Sure!]

Careerwise, or last season. Eli was the worst starting QB for picks last season of all QBs not named Brett Favre. Cutler was down because he didn't throw as much. Eli threw more, but coughed up more picks last season.

Eli Manning: 31 TD 25 INT
Drew Brees: 33 TD 22 INT
Carson Palmer: 26 TD 20 INT

Eli threw a lot of interceptions (which if you watched the games, you'd notice so many were receivers batting the ball up in the air), but looked at along with his TD numbers, his year was not all that worse than Drew Brees and around the same as Carson Palmer.

[Ben Kenobi]

Who the hell cares about FANTASY football? What planet are you from where any of this matters?

I'm talking Fantasy Football. Hence the statement, 'draft chart'.

We're talking real life here not fantasy football

Which addresses my statement about interceptions how? Do ints exist in your world?

And who cares what sort of fantasy team you had? You didn't even win the league!

True, but I did a damn sight better than a Mr. Speer. I went 6-0 until Gates got injured.

In the highly competitive league I was in for a lot of money, I drafted Rivers, Flacco, and Eli and I won my league.

And I presume your opponent drafted Brees, Manning and Brady.

Congrats.

Garrard is not going to continue to progress.

He did last year. He was underrated last year and I expect him to continue being happily underrated.

I'm just sad I didn't pull the trigger on his TE, I could have used him too.

Albert, you're asking me if I know anything about a player I specifically drafted because of his low perceived value and high upside. Yes, Albert, I do know he's 33. I don't hold aging, past their prime QBs against them if they are placed in a good situation where they can thrive.

And apparently when they are white, neither do you.

[Ben Kenobi]

Eli threw a lot of interceptions (which if you watched the games, you'd notice so many were receivers batting the ball up in the air),

Perhaps Eli should throw to receivers in his range who are open. Kyle Orton seemed to have success doing just that.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm talking Fantasy Football. Hence the statement, 'draft chart'.

What the ****? THE ULTIMATE IN GOAL POST MOVING!

You jumped into the discussion me and Coldwizard were having about real life... you know, what happens on the actual field, not some fantasy football ****.

Where the **** did this fantasy football stuff come from? Who cares about fantasy football?

Yes, Albert, I do know he's 33. I don't hold aging, past their prime QBs against them if they are placed in a good situation where they can thrive.

And apparently when they are white, neither do you.

WHAT THE ****?!



Am I crazy or is Ben completely insane?

[Al B. Sure!]

Eli's been playing 7 years and Henne only 3. Henne could very possibly turn out better.

2009: 12 TDs 14 INTs
2010: 15 TDs 19 INTs

61.1% completion percentage which is not even that high for a guy with a 6.6 Y/A average... yet he throws more interceptions than touchdowns every year.

[Al B. Sure!]

Are you carrying a torch for Flacco and think he is disrespected?

I've seen Matt Ryan praised left and right and considered a top-10 QB. He was rookie of the year. Flacco never gets any such praise.

Flacco is statistically better. Flacco has won 4 playoff games to Ryan's 0.

Now, Flacco, obviously, has consistently one of the best defenses in the league backing him up. Ryan's Falcons have been middle of the pack in defense every year. Both teams have good running attacks (Ray Rice vs. Michael Turner is a toss-up), but Ryan has an elite WR in Roddy White and an elite TE in Gonzalez. Flacco has #2-style guys who are long in the tooth.

I don't know how much defense contributes to Flacco's playoff success or to his statistics. But all in all, I'd say Flacco and Ryan are probably on the same level, yet it's Ryan who gets the heaps of praise and Flacco nothing. This is interesting to me.


If Flacco didn't have the Ravens D, he probably wouldn't have won 4 playoff games. However, he'd probably have been slinging it and would be a 4000 yard passer albeit with a lot of interceptions off miscues.
On the other hand, take Roddy White and Gonzo from Matt Ryan and... eh...

Seen from that perspective, Flacco looks like he might just be better than Ryan.


I've done this before. Phil Simms was statistically better than Troy Aikman while having a whole lot less going for him (the Giants O-Line, RB's, and WR's weren't even in the same league as what the Cowboys had; the defenses were about the same). Troy Aikman was a first-ballot HoFer and considered one of the greatest of all time, whereas Phil Simms' HoF prospects are laughed at. What's the deal?

[Al B. Sure!]

Here's that list, by the way, with the names, since no one wants to play

Sorted by average yards per healthy non-rookie season:

3089 yards 13.5 TDs 16.5 INTs <4 years Henne
3244 yards 21.3 TDs 11.3 INTs <4 years Cassel
3310 yards 25 TDs 11.5 INTs <4 years Ryan
3317 yards 17.6 TDs 12.6 INTs <4 years Garrard

3446 yards 21.5 TDs 14.2 INTs 4-6 years Hasselbeck
3497 yards 22 TDs 10.3 INTs 7+ years McNabb
3574 yards 23.25 TDs 15 INTs 4-6 years Roethlisberger
3600 yards 25 TDs 17.3 INTs 4-6 years Eli Manning

3617 yards 23 TDs 11 INTs <4 years Flacco
3685 yards 20 TDs 19 INTs 4-6 years Kitna
3740 yards 23.75 TDs 18.5 INTs 4-6 years Cutler
3813 yards 26.6 TDs 15.6 INTs 4-6 years Palmer

3851 yards 29 TDs 10.5 INTs 7+ years Brady
3902 yards 27 TDs 11.4 INTs 4-6 years Rivers
4047 yards 29.3 TDs 14 INTs <4 years Romo
4117 yards 27.8 TDs 14.6 INTs 7+ years Brees

4131 yards 28.6 TDs 10.3 INTs <4 years Rodgers
4257 yards 31 TDs 14 INTs 7+ years Peyton Manning
4570 yards 26.5 TDs 13.5 INTs <4 years Schaub


The 3 QB's there with the lowest TD/INT ratios, by the way, are Henne, Kitna, and Cutler.

[-Jrabbit]

Alby, I give you some sage advice -- not to feed the troll -- and your reaction?

You take him to lunch.

I can only assume that you enjoy this as a sort of outlet. So... enjoy!