Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[EPW]

The Mountain Goats are dominating! They could get well over 200 points.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sigh... going to lose again in my league for money. It's mind-boggling to me how I'm struggling to stay above .500 with Philip Rivers, Ahmad Bradshaw, Jamaal Charles, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Vernon Davis

Rivers, Orton
Bradshaw, Charles, Torain, Keiland Williams
Andre Johnson, Fitzgerland, Marshall, Crabtree, Steve Smith (CAR), Nate Washington, Mike Thomas
Vernon Davis

I have the league's #1 and #3 D/ST's, #3 kicker... This is crazy

I'm lost as to how to improve this team.

[MRT144]

Sigh... going to lose again in my league for money. It's mind-boggling to me how I'm struggling to stay above .500 with Philip Rivers, Ahmad Bradshaw, Jamaal Charles, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Vernon Davis

Rivers, Orton
Bradshaw, Charles, Torain, Keiland Williams
Andre Johnson, Fitzgerland, Marshall, Crabtree, Steve Smith (CAR), Nate Washington, Mike Thomas

I have the league's #1 and #3 fantasy D/ST's, #3 kicker... This is crazy

I said before, your WRs despite their previous efforts just aren't performing as well as they should be.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yet to have the #1 QB, two top-10 RB's, #3 TE, #1 D/ST, and #3 kicker... you don't think that should be enough to compensate for the #9 receiver (Johnson) and 3 20-30th ranked WRs?

I'll be 6-5.

[SlowwHand]

D/ST, Mountain Goats get 202 points against me. What a raping.

[Berzerker]

aint he a bastard

and that was with his K getting skunked

Cheese and crackers

I had to go look

[Berzerker]

yahoo needs a new qb stat - rating.

Manning 38-52-396 4 TD 3 Int (rating 96,3) ~65 pts
Brady 19-25-186 2 TD 0 Int (rating 123.1) ~33 pts

dont seem right, the damn near flawless performance is doubled in pts by the guy who lost.

okay, maybe not rating since a guy could go 5-5 and a TD before getting injured and he's probably beat everyone. Maybe with a min 15-20 pass att

[Al B. Sure!]

Berzerker, go back a few weeks and check my whole spiel in comparison between Big Ben in his debut game and Drew Brees who had the same fantasy points but threw 4 Ints... the two QB's threw for the same TD's, similar yardage within 50 yards of each other, but Brees threw 60 passes and Big Ben less than 30, Brees' sheer completions making up for the 4 Ints. Remember that whole discussion? I was given harsh words for my analysis of the flaws in rewarding pass completions.

[Al B. Sure!]

Here you go, berz, some of my comments:

Brees: 37/56 (66%) 354 yards (6.32 Y/A) and 2 TDs and 4 INTS... 28.45 fantasy points
Big Ben: 19/27 (70%) 302 yards (11.18 Y/A) and 2 TDs and 1 fumble... 28.70 fantasy points


Umm.. something's broken if Big Ben had nearly twice the Y/A, had 4 points higher completion %, DIDN'T THROW 4 FREAKING PICKS, yet has essentially the same fantasy points as Brees. Who played better? And not just better, MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER?

Guess which one had the 132.0 QB rating and which one had the 65.8? Yet their fantasy output is nearly identical.

Something is wrong. This is solely because of the fact that Brees is extra rewarded for throwing more even though he was a lot less effective at it.

Of Brees's 28.45 points, 13.75 came from his completions minus incompletions
Of Big Ben's points, ONLY 7.5 points came from his completions minus incompletions.

The difference plus the 52 extra yards is how Brees managed to offset something as TERRIBLE as 4 INT's.

Consider, INTs are -3 points so had Brees not thrown those 4 INT's, he would have had a 40.45 fantasy day!

Are you serious? You don't think something is wrong with that?

One QB throws for 354 yards with 2 TDs and a 66% completion... 40.45 fantasy points
Another throws for 302 yards with 2 TDs and a 70% completion... 31.7 fantasy points (adding back Big Ben's fumble as if it didn't happen)

Umm... yeah. Something's broken. You can't deny that!

You can even set up a scenario where a QB throws for MORE yardage, HIGHER completion %, MORE TD'S, higher Y/A, and still scores less points simply because he doesn't throw as much.

40/60 (66%) for 250 yards (4.2 Y/A) and 3 TDs... 91.6 Rating... 15 + 12.5 + 18 = 45.5
15/20 (75%) for 260 yards (13 Y/A) and 4 TDs... 156.25 Rating... 6.25 + 13 + 24 = 43.25

Now, that is an extreme example but it demonstrates the sheer power of giving points for completions and how it rewards what frankly should not be rewarded. Those extra throws can more than offset the points generated from higher yards and more TDs while things like a higher completion % and 3x the Y/A get thrown aside and have no fantasy bearing. Just as Brees' offset his 4 Interceptions

*also, Ben and Brees were each sacked 3 times so the only relevant stats for fantasy between the two of them are the ones I noted

Basically, I was told I was stupid so good luck with this, Berz.

[SlowwHand]

aint he a bastard

and that was with his K getting skunked

Cheese and crackers

I had to go look

24.02 for his Defense. Thankfully, his Kicker got skunked.

[-Jrabbit]

This is about totals, not efficiency, guys. I'd think you'd be used to it by now.

Berz conveniently failed to mention the relevant points -- that Peyton Manning had:
52 attempts to Brady's 25 (more than double).
Completions: 38/19 (double).
TDs: 4/2 (double).

And yes, he got about double the points. WHY IS THAT SO SHOCKING???

Y'all are fine with it when an RB or WR gets double the touches and turns them into fantasy gold. But heaven forbid that a QB get more points for making more plays.

Brady's day was efficient, but ANY QB who makes only 25 throws is generally going to be an also-ran in fantasy football.

WHAT MAKES THIS SO HARD FOR YOU TO COMPREHEND???

[Al B. Sure!]

Jrabbit, my Brees/Big Ben comparison from a few weeks ago is more compelling than Berz's example. Brees and Big Ben threw for roughly the same yardage, the same TD's, yet had the same fantasy points despite Brees throwing 4 Ints, only because Brees threw more passes!

Mind you, the two QB's had close to the same yardage total! Brees took twice as many pass attempts to get it than Big Ben did.

Same yardage! Same yardage! Same yardage! How is the guy who slings it down-field penalized while the dump it down check-down performance is rewarded?

[Al B. Sure!]

Maybe one day yahoo will have more flexibility so we can have a ranking system with points based on completion % and yards per attempt along with everything else. That would be perfect.

[-Jrabbit]

They were NOT the same in attempts or completions. Therein lies the key difference.

What you SHOULD have been doing is to marvel that Roethlisberger managed basically the same point total as Brees despite the fact that he only had half the number of attempts!!! This is, in fact, a fair reward for his efficiency -- equal points for only half the touches!

I agree: Your example is much more relevant than Berz's -- FOR PROVING MY POINT!

[Al B. Sure!]

Jrabbit, Big Ben didn't throw FOUR INTERCEPTIONS!!!!