Can We At Least Talk About Who Will Run Leagues For NFL?

[-Jrabbit]

I just went with last year's settings (25/pass, 10/rush, 20/receiving, 20/return). The year before that, we had rushing at 20yd/pt. I'm not a big fan of oddball numbers like 12 and 15, although I'm sure snoop can make a detailed case why it's statistically better.

Kick and punt returns are classified under offense. There is no category for it listed under defense, but punt, kick and INT yards have counted for IDP slots routinely. I think the "no return yards" thing is only a problem in D/ST.

[SlowwHand]

Sloww, I was out of line. I apologize. You are definitely our designated heckler. None better.

Thanks, man. Everyone has a purpose. If you took this away from me, what the point of existing?

[flash9286]

Got 9 in the d/st league, need one or 3 more.

Here are the settings:

Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: None
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Acquisitions per Week: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 0
Trade End Date: November 20, 2009
Trade Review: Commissioner
Waiver Time: No waivers
Waiver Type: Continual rolling list
Weekly Waivers None
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Playoffs: Week 15 and 16 (4 teams)
Divisions: No
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes

Completions .5
Incomplete Passes -.25
Passing Yards 20 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -3
Sacks -1
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Receptions .5
Reception Yards 10 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 2
Fumbles Lost -3
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 3
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 3
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 4
Field Goals 50+ Yards 5
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble Recovery 2
Touchdown 6
Safety 5 2
Block Kick 2
Return Yards 20 yards per point
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns 6
Points Allowed 0 points 15
Points Allowed 1-6 points 10
Points Allowed 7-13 points 7
Points Allowed 14-20 points 3
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -3
Points Allowed 35+ points -7

[-Jrabbit]

Still looking for a 14th to fill up the IDP.

Anyone? Beuller?

[snoopy369]

More D players = lower average points per D player. Means more people will punt the category entirely, among other things. Also means a lower quality of waiver-wire replacement.

Honestly, there's good reason to not have positioned D players at all - breaking it out to DL/DB/LB probably reduces the value quite a bit, both in that it reduces the strategy in picking D players [guessing that a particular DB will have enough INTs to put him in the LB field] and it significantly reduces the likelihood that you'll spend any bench slots backing people up, because you'd need 3 spots to have a replacement. (D) is a mid-quality position slightly more important than TE [RB, QB, WR, D, TE, K]; (DL,DB,LB) are low quality positions (all three!), likely to have no backups at all on benches (maybe LB only). There's good arguments for splitting it out as well, of course, I'm just saying there are reasons not to.

I'd rather see 1 DL, 2 LB, 1 DB, because then DL and DB will be reasonably available on waivers, and LB will be around the same quality as last year, which was about right I feel (probably the average person had 2 to 3 LBs on his roster, probably around 10 to 12 DL/DB were in starting positions).

Also, PLEASE don't use DE/DT/CB/S. That is way too much separation. If they don't have DL, DB, LB option, then just go to D entirely...

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Still looking for a 14th to fill up the IDP.

Anyone? Beuller?

Or does somebody who's only in the IDP want to switch and take the last spot in the team D so IDP can be pulled back to 12?

[-Jrabbit]

More D players = lower average points per D player.

This doesn't scan for me. I just don't think the effect will be that great.
Avg. pts per defender is about 8/game. LB is the most productive position, followed by safety (not CB) -- all based on tackles. CBs who return kicks and actually play, while rare, are the most valuable of all.

Position splits will, in fact, upgrade the quality of waiver players.

There were BTW virtually no true DLs in our league last year -- about 4-5 league-wide, most of which were hybrid LB/DEs like Ware, Harrison and Pace. Justin Tuck was IIRC the only true lineman. This is based on year-end rosters. I'd like to rectify that, and upgrading points per sack (from 1.5 to 3, plus the tackle) was with that roster change in mind. Most teams were playing at least one DB.

I don't see any issues with finding defensive players on waivers when needed. There will be plenty out there under any format.

I'm open to shuffling the position mix, though I'd prefer 5 to 4 total (so that total defense is worth about as much as an average QB week).

[Zopperoni]

Or does somebody who's only in the IDP want to switch and take the last spot in the team D so IDP can be pulled back to 12?

I'll swap out if there aren't any new players.

I'll give it till tomorrow and let everyone know if I switch.

[Deity Dude]

Haven't checked Poly in a long time. Just got the invite and joined. Thanks JR. If possible can the commish EMAIL me at ramilhizer@yahoo.com when the draft starts.

[gjramsey]

no leagues for me this season. 3 money leagues is more then enough for me to play with.

[OzzyKP]

Or does somebody who's only in the IDP want to switch and take the last spot in the team D so IDP can be pulled back to 12?

How many people are in the team D league? I might prefer that league regardless of the IDP being an odd number.

[Berzerker]

we have 14 for the IDP league and 9 for the team D league

need 1 (or 3) more for the team D league

[-Jrabbit]

IDP League is complete with 14 members.

Now let's finalize settings, clarify draft rules and set the draft order.

I'm adjusting the defensive players to DL, LB, LB, DB, DB. Considering adding one bench slot to accommodate. Will post proposed final settings shortly.

[OzzyKP]

Well... sorry to mess you up since you just found your 14, but I think I'm gonna switch to the team D (they are uneven now anyhow).

What is the info on the other league anyhow?

Nm, found it:

I started the D/ST league. I copied the settings from Jag's league last year.

ID#:390981
League Name:Apolyton-D/ST
PW: poly

[-Jrabbit]

Poly IDP FF09 League Settings

Here they are. Basically same as last year, but with some adjustments. Settings from last year are in parentheses, bolded, for ease of scanning.

Roster Positions 2009:
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K,
DB, DB, DL, LB, LB,
BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN (9)

Roster Positions 2008
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K,
D, D, D, D,
BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN (8)

Offense League Value
Completions 1
Incomplete Passes -.5
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -3
Sacks -0.5
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Receptions 1
Reception Yards 20 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 20 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 2 [1]
Fumbles Lost -3
Offensive Fumble TD Return 6
Kickers League Value
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 3
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 3
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 4
Field Goals 50+ Yards 5
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -2 [-3]
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1 [-2]
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1
Defensive Players League Value
Tackle Solo 1
Tackle Assist .5
Sack 3 [1.5]
Interception 3
Fumble Force 2 [1.5]
Fumble Recovery 3
Defensive Touchdown 6
Safety 4 [5]
Pass Defended 1
Block Kick 3

Draft Type: Offline Draft
Max Teams: 14
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List: None
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Acquisitions per Week: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: November 20, 2009
Trade Review: Commissioner
Waiver Time: No waivers [1-day, rolling list]
Post Draft Players: Free Agents
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (6 teams)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes