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  • The Senators are retarded:


    Mural slap in face to Pens

    Picture outside visitors' dressing room shows Sens shaking hands with eliminated Pittsburgh

    A picture is worth a thousand words and, in this case, most of them are of the unprintable variety.

    "Awful," was the way one Senators player politely put it yesterday.

    In what is surely one of the stupidest and most ignorant moves going, somebody with the Senators organization decided to cover a wall near the Penguins dressing room in Scotiabank Place with a large mural. It's a photo of the Senators shaking hands with the Penguins after the Senators eliminated them in their first-round matchup last spring.

    It's positioned so it is about the last thing the Penguins will see as they make the turn from the main hallway to enter their dressing room.

    It's right in an area where the visiting teams have been known to play their warmup game of "Keep Up," bouncing a soccer ball around from player to player, trying to keep it from hitting the ground.


    "That's what they'll be looking at when they play soccer," said another player, with a shake of his head.

    As if you need to give a team any other reason or motivation to want to beat you at this time of year.

    The photo smacks of arrogance -- unearned by this franchise, frankly, which has been a notorious underachiever at this time of year and has little reason to look down on any other or rub the noses of opposing players in defeat.

    The mural is part of a freshening up of the area around the dressing rooms which included a classy makeover of the hallway leading from the Senators dressing room to the ice. Fans will likely get their first look at it tonight on the big screen at Scotiabank Place when the Senators make their entrance. The walls have been covered with themes incorporating the laurel leaves from the club's logo. There is a glass sliding door that will part to allow the players to make their entrance during which they will pass by a big, backlit shield by the bench.

    The walls outside the dressing rooms have been painted and two large pictures -- one of the Red Zone last spring, filled with thousands of red-clad fans with Scotiabank Place in the background and the unfortunately chosen one of the Penguins and the Senators shaking hands.

    The photo of the Senators and Penguins was chosen before the Senators knew they were going to be playing Pittsburgh in the first round. It was up on the wall on the final Sunday of the regular season and the Senators didn't know they were playing Pittsburgh until the Penguins lost to the Flyers that afternoon.

    Just about any photo of the Senators' great run last spring would have sufficed to fill that space, wouldn't it, without the potential of ticking off an opponent?

    "Remember how we beat you?"

    Why use a picture which would serve to help resurrect the feelings the Penguins had at that moment, reminding them in living colour how they don't want to have that feeling again?

    The unfortunate choice of subject has been a topic of conversation among the Senators players. They see it as something that makes their jobs harder.

    As soon as the Senators knew they were playing the Penguins, that photo should have been scrapped.

    As he finished up answering a question in his press conference yesterday, Senators coach and GM Bryan Murray chose to fill a moment of silence between the end of his answer and the next question with this comment:

    "And I didn't have anything to do with the picture on the wall out there," he said.

    Whomever did made a mistake.

    It's not too late to fix it.

    Take it down. Show your opponent some respect.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • Originally posted by Asher
      Bettman speaks on "The Avery Rule"

      Bettman said he discussed the matter with Colin Campbell, the NHL's senior vice president of hockey operations, on Sunday afternoon already. Their joint verdict: "It's something that we're going to address, probably in the realm of either goaltender interference, or unsportsmanlike conduct. We'll put the clubs on notice before we make that interpretation. But the ingenuity and creativity of things we've never seen before never ceases to amaze us. But we'll deal with it."

      Bettman's tone said as much as his actual words — he was clearly unhappy with Avery's antics, even after acknowledging his ingenuity and creativity, because of the black mark they cast on what has been another exciting first round.
      It seems like this Avery move is something "new" - But its not really-- when you think of every player that puts his back to the goalie and continually tries to block his view-- Facing the goalie and doing the same thing isn't such a leap is it?

      If he would keep his stick down, we would probably have zero potential fouls to talk about
      You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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      • Originally posted by Asher

        Not without the precedent of any goalie screen being interference.
        I don't think that's necessarily the case. There's a difference between standing a few feet away, and sticking something in his face... admittedly you'd have to set a bright line in place, or risk random calls/nocalls from refs, but it seems to me that if you turned around and stood a few inches away it would still be GI.

        For that matter, isn't there a rule about not being in the crease when a goal is scored? Does the stick count as something not permitted in the crease?
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        • Originally posted by Flubber


          It seems like this Avery move is something "new" - But its not really-- when you think of every player that puts his back to the goalie and continually tries to block his view-- Facing the goalie and doing the same thing isn't such a leap is it?
          There is a huge difference between putting your back to the goalie and putting your hand or stick in his face.

          One is a far greater invasion of personal space and is far more threatening. This is an emotional, gut response to the posture of others. Think about whether you would want the guy ahead of you in a crowd to have his back to you or to have his hand up in your face (in both cases with ~20 cm between you and him).
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          • Have you guys seen the Sarich hit from years ago in the juniors?



            Even better than last night's!
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            • Originally posted by snoopy369
              a few feet away
              Have you seen a hockey game in the last few years?

              Goaltenders are aggressive on the outside edge of their crease to cut down angles and skaters are aggressive in order to screen the goaltenders.

              There's generally less than a foot distance between a good screen and the goaltender.

              Currently, goaltender interference is defined as a physical interference with goaltender's movements. Not the case here.

              I would stick with the idea that this is incitement, and would suggest a between-seasons rule modification to ensure that such creativity doesn't become a normal part of the game.
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              • I have seen a hockey game in person in the last few weeks thankyouverymuch.

                I don't have a problem with it outside the crease unless it's really blatant like the above - but once it crosses the crease, it's interference by definition, isn't it? (not necessarily 2m penalty interference, but goal-waving-off interference)
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                • No. The skater is allowed to transitorily be in the crease when goals are scored. They must move away when prodded by the goalie for space, and if they prevent the goaltender from moving into position to make the save then the goal can be waved off.

                  The "not one skater in the crease" rule was gotten rid of ages ago.
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                  • I liked that rule.

                    Unless this means that goalies can deck players in the crease. Then i'm cool with it. But I don't see nearly enough decking for that to be likely the case
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                    • Originally posted by snoopy369
                      I liked that rule.

                      Unless this means that goalies can deck players in the crease. Then i'm cool with it. But I don't see nearly enough decking for that to be likely the case


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                      • Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                        There is a huge difference between putting your back to the goalie and putting your hand or stick in his face.

                        One is a far greater invasion of personal space and is far more threatening. This is an emotional, gut response to the posture of others. Think about whether you would want the guy ahead of you in a crowd to have his back to you or to have his hand up in your face (in both cases with ~20 cm between you and him).
                        While I agree-- if the guy in the crowd turns and faces you, LEGALLY if he isn't actually threatening you, there is nothing he "law" can do.

                        But perhaops on a hockey rink there could be an addition to interference rules-- Its an fine line really-- While you want the screens and tips etc etc, you also want the goalie to be ABLE to come out to challenge-- While a forward has a right to his own space on the ice , intentionally moving yourself into space to block will get you an interference penalty elsewhere so why not here-- the Avery move goes beyond a screen and positioning yourself for a tip in=--it seems designed to interefere with a goalies ability to move about (admittedly outside the crease)

                        Bottom line is that no one that sees it thinks it should be ok so I'm betting that pretty soon-- we will find that its actually not ok -- either by a rule interpretation or a new rule-- I think you can get rid ofthe stick swinging by enforcing slashing rules and you can probably limit the tactic by enforcing and clarifying how interference will be called
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                        • Oh my god! Ottawa! WORST INTRO EVER!

                          I'm dying of embarrassment for them...
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                          • What happened to 'enforcing' rules via the check-into-the-glass-at-high-speed-followed-by-a-knee-to-the-back-while-the-ref-was-not-looking? I thought this was hockey, not basketball...
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                            • Originally posted by Asher
                              Oh my god! Ottawa! WORST INTRO EVER!

                              I'm dying of embarrassment for them...
                              They really took the concept of "team" to a new level with that intro, didn't they?
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                              • You mean the solo guy in the middle of an echo-filled, silent arena?

                                What the hell were they thinking.
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