AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 07/08: V Blades of Glory

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Flubber, when is the last time Phaneuf fought a tough guy?

What do you mean by a "tough guy"? If you mean the designated goon for another team, I hope he never fights them-- thats a stupid thing for a team's number one d-man to be doing. Phaneuf doesn't seem to get in many of those passionless bouts between the gladiators, that what Godard is for.

Phaneuf fought last night after Langkow was hit from behind. He was obviously pissed off and went at the guy that hit Langkow and fought when Ohlund intervened. I don't doubt that Phaneuf would have fought whomever caame at hand at the moment, for better or for worse.

I don't want Phaneuf fighting much anyway. I prefer him ON the ice and playing well. I respect the fact that he will fight sometimes but I don't want him looking for the heavyweight crown or anything. It would be stupid for him to be fighting goons

[Asher]

I think nye is making reference to the few times Stortini has tried to goad Phaneuf into fighting. Phaneuf usually laughs/shrugs it off, and Oilers fans equate this to being scared of Stortini rather than being intelligent.

5 mins in the box for Phaneuf hurts the Flames a lot more than 5 mins in the box for Stortini for Edmonton, right?

[Asher]

Active fan.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
I think nye is making reference to the few times Stortini has tried to goad Phaneuf into fighting. Phaneuf usually laughs/shrugs it off, and Oilers fans equate this to being scared of Stortini rather than being intelligent.

5 mins in the box for Phaneuf hurts the Flames a lot more than 5 mins in the box for Stortini for Edmonton, right?

Agreed-- I see no point in Phaneuf, a good hockey player, accepting challenges from other team's designated goon. If Stortini wants some of the ritualistic heavyweight combat, which bores me btw, he should challenge Godard.

To be clear I don't mind and actually kind of enjoy a good tilt between two players that have been playing hard and have really built up some personal animosity. But I don't like the hired goon that gets 3 minutes of ice time a night and who goes out and gets in a fight after having spent all of the preceding 27 minutes on the bench-- Its premeditated and passionless regadless of how energetic the fight happens to be.

So no I don't want Phaneuf fighting some goon guy. Phaneuf plays clean, hits hard and seems to accept invitations from actual hockey players when and if they come. I respect that.

Stortini?? he's just a goon guy who has dressed in only 6 games and his time on the ice through those 6 only exceeds his PIM by a narrow margin. Godard is the equivalent on the Flames but he seems to understand the code and doesn't run around challenging the stars on the opposition team

[snoopy369]

If a goon's ice time exceeds his PIM he's not doing his job

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Flubber
They are also the only team that is "undefeated" at 5-0 while I believe most of the people chasing them are 3-1-1-- Just looking at their lineup, I can see them being tough all season

Superior drafting skills, my friend.

[snoopy369]

Does the actual win matter, or just the category win?

[Asher]

Category wins.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kontiki


Superior drafting skills, my friend.

I would think it undeniable that you have drafted the team that has performed the best so far. Zetterberg is the steal of the third round for sure and Lundqvist and Biron have been as good a goalie tandem as anyone has.

I know this year has been tough to predict so far for goalies . Lundqvist has been one of the few goalies drafted in the first 3 rounds that has been anywhere near as good as hoped and a lot of people's top keeper's were later round additions. Heck my best keeper is the undrafted Gerber--

[Flubber]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Does the actual win matter, or just the category win?

I know its just category wins but I saw the win, loss or tie notation when you look at your schedule and your past results.

I do know that I would take more satisfaction in seeing a 3-4-1 loss change into a 4-3-1 win than I would in a change from a 6-1-1 to a 7-0-1 even though they both matter exactly equally in the standings--

[Asher]

****ing Matt Cooke, dirty player.

Langkow has a concussion.

As for "Iron Mike"...he's a softie now?

http://communities.canada.com/calgaryherald/blogs/insideflames/archive/2007/11/09/what-the-flames-worry.aspx

In the wake of a fourth consecutive loss by the Flames, there was an expectation of a very ugly and unpleasant Friday at the Saddledome. Surely head coach Mike Keenan would cut himself a switch from the nearest tree and look for the handiest keister to flog, right?

Wrong.

Instead, spirits were high during a light practice. There was a shootout contest and some three-on-three pond-hockey style action. At one point, defenceman Robyn Regehr and assistant coach Jim Playfair were taking aim at a helium-filled balloon with shots from the blue line. The only thing missing was a potato-sack race.

There is a coaching school of thought that suggests you save the whipping tactics for when the troops are feeling fat and sassy, and that the hard times call for mothering and mood-lightening. Perhaps it's a sound theory, but the fans who want to see their heroes punished for their recent slide and believe thumb-screws are in order will be very disappointed. Then again, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, do we? Perhaps that's where the horrors are happening.

[snoopy369]

He's just softening them up so when he hits, it hurts that much harder

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
He's fought Todd Bertuzzi, does that count?

Also Dustin Penner
Ian Laperriere
Bill Guerin

Thanks.

Originally posted by Flubber

What do you mean by a "tough guy"? If you mean the designated goon for another team, I hope he never fights them-- thats a stupid thing for a team's number one d-man to be doing. Phaneuf doesn't seem to get in many of those passionless bouts between the gladiators, that what Godard is for.

Phaneuf fought last night after Langkow was hit from behind. He was obviously pissed off and went at the guy that hit Langkow and fought when Ohlund intervened. I don't doubt that Phaneuf would have fought whomever caame at hand at the moment, for better or for worse.

I don't want Phaneuf fighting much anyway. I prefer him ON the ice and playing well. I respect the fact that he will fight sometimes but I don't want him looking for the heavyweight crown or anything. It would be stupid for him to be fighting goons

By tough guy I meant someone like Bertuzzi, Guerin, or Laperriere. Not an enforcer like Laraque or Boogy.

The reason I asked is that I have been noticing a willingness, or maybe eagerness, by Phaneuf to challenge players like Smythe (the latest example I noticed). Then this fight with Ohlund. It doesn't look good on him.

I understand him being pissed. I don't understand him starting to chuck them just because Ohlund got in the way. Would you accept that explanation if Laraque or Boogy breaks Dion's face because he was the handy Flame when they really wanted to get at some other player? I doubt it.

Originally posted by Asher
I think nye is making reference to the few times Stortini has tried to goad Phaneuf into fighting.

I did nothing of the sort.

Sell much straw?

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
The reason I asked is that I have been noticing a willingness, or maybe eagerness, by Phaneuf to challenge players like Smythe (the latest example I noticed). Then this fight with Ohlund. It doesn't look good on him.

Check out www.hockeyfights.com, and you'll see you're a bit mistaken.

Phaneuf doesn't fight just to fight, he fights when he needs to to stick up for his team. I don't blame him, nor would discourage him, from his little thing last night.

Would you accept that explanation if Laraque or Boogy breaks Dion's face because he was the handy Flame when they really wanted to get at some other player? I doubt it.

If Phaneuf concussed a star player, let's say a player like Hemsky only better, and then Laraque smacked Regehr when Regehr got in the way of retaliation, I wouldn't be too torn.

I did nothing of the sort


Sell much straw?

Not sure if you know what a strawman argument is, but it doesn't apply when your opponent says "I think _____" indicating he's not sure, and leaves it open for rebuttal.

I seem to recall you talking about Stortini and Phaneuf not wanting to fight him some time ago, and it's a recurring schtick in the Oiler blogophere to discuss how much of a "*****" Phaneuf is for avoiding fights from the like of Stortini when the Flames are steamrolling the Oilers.

[Asher]

BTW, do you remember the Stortini - Nolan fight?



What a pathetic player.