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**Ninot** · January 9, 2007, 22:13

Habs win tonight. Looks like they have beat the flubug. Ryder finally starts scoring. Koivu gets his 500th career point. Habs will be just fine.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 22:28

Originally posted by notyoueither
No, I'm laughing at this guy's results.

He pulls the rankings out of his ass. If you recall I whined about them a lot last season. That don't change the stats he quoted, which are true.

OK. Who is a better player? Don't cheat, just use the stats.

Code:

GP  G A  Pt +/- Team
51  7 19 26  8  216 GF, 193 GA
58 13 33 46 22  263 GF, 253 GA

Depends what we're talking about.

The second player has better offensive production and higher +/-. So in those terms, he is better.

Yelle would be a better comparison for a Flames player, but by all means keep laughing.

He doesn't count Yelle as a significant injury either. I really don't think so either.

In past years he was our best PK player and faceoff man, but not this year. Moreau wasn't your best PK player or faceoffman either.

What makes Moreau so significant?

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 22:36

Originally posted by Kontiki
That might be more compelling analysis if it was actually reflected in the TSN power rankings. For example, Dallas is 10th in the league in goal differential (GD), but ranked 18th by TSN this week, falling five spots seemingly because of losing three of four - I guess streaks do mean something for some teams, just not others. Colorado is 9th in GD, but ranks 14th on TSN's list, two spots below Carolina which is 17th in GD. For that matter, Calgary's 6th spot in GD is only good for one place higher than Carolina in the TSN rankings. The Rangers rank 20th in GD, but 10th in the power rankings. Etc....

In short, TSN's power rankings are pretty much as ****ty as they've even been, and I wouldn't be inclined to care much how someone defended them.

There's also this little walk down memory lane:
http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...gs#post4288548

I've already mentioned that I rarely agree with his rankings. But the stats he listed for all of the lines do stand regardless of that.

**Kontiki** · January 9, 2007, 22:44

Yes, but they're clearly rather pointless for his rankings, so I'm not sure why he uses them to justify the positioning, nor why you trotted them out in the first place.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 22:46

Because the stats are interesting and explains some of the glaring flaws of Edmonton and Vancouver. Namely they get scored on a lot.

**Kontiki** · January 9, 2007, 22:49

So?

**notyoueither** · January 9, 2007, 22:50

Originally posted by Asher

He pulls the rankings out of his ass. If you recall I whined about them a lot last season. That don't change the stats he quoted, which are true.

And the debate would be whether he comes up with a valid ranking using them. As 'tiki pointed out, he is even inconsistent with this criteria.

Depends what we're talking about.

The second player has better offensive production and higher +/-. So in those terms, he is better.

Cudos for honesty when you have to know it is a set up.

The first player is Hamrlik, the second is Pitkanen. Both from last season. It wasn't hard to find though. Pitkanen popped up immediately when looking for better numbers from teams just below Calgary in goal differential.

He doesn't count Yelle as a significant injury either. I really don't think so either.

In past years he was our best PK player and faceoff man, but not this year. Moreau wasn't your best PK player or faceoffman either.

What makes Moreau so significant?

Moreau is a significant PK player, but he isn't a centre. He is a veteran leader among the forwards and the team does struggle when he goes missing due to injury.

Maybe he wouldn't matter if he were playing for 99 out of 100 other teams, but for the Oilers he has been a significant loss when he gets hurt.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 22:55

Originally posted by notyoueither
Cudos for honesty when you have to know it is a set up.

The first player is Hamrlik, the second is Pitkanen. Both from last season. It wasn't hard to find though. Pitkanen popped up immediately when looking for better numbers from teams just below Calgary in goal differential.

Pitkanen was better than Hamrlik last year. If you recall I was not happy with Hamrlik at all last year...

Pitkanen's +/- seems to show this as well. I'm not sure which point you tried to prove.

Pitkanen got a serious injury last season and he hasn't returned to form this season. Hamrlik got a serious injury last season, didn't return to form last season at all, but certainly has this season.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 22:59

Which is the better player?

Code:

GP  	G  	A  	Pts  	+/-
39  	0  	21  	21  	-20  	
33  	3  	12  	15  	+20

**notyoueither** · January 9, 2007, 23:03

It depends on more than you've posted. That is my point.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 23:05

Originally posted by notyoueither
It depends on more than you've posted. That is my point.

But it's not, I'd take the +20 guy today.

BTW, Eric Godard beat the **** out of Derek Boogard in the 2nd. He hasn't been back since.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 23:09

And man, has Byron Ritchie ever stepped up in Iggy's absence.

**notyoueither** · January 9, 2007, 23:10

We disagree about the value of +/-.

We agree that Godard tuned Boogaard up.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 23:22

If that BS call ruins Kipper's shutout, I'm going to be a very unhappy camper.

Edit: Kipper makes an amazing save on Rolston's bullet as I type that.

**Asher** · January 9, 2007, 23:26

I'm still a bit upset all those ****er Canuck fans voting for Rory also voted for Luongo, giving Luongo the allstar start.

And Cheechoo over Iginla??? Cheechoo has sucked this year....the voting scheme sucks.

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