Fantasy Hockey - Coming up on the Halfway Point

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
That's a little personal, isn't it? Speaking of what I comprehend?

At any rate, have a look at who is 29th and then have a look at his career numbers. That'll tell you something about the value of +/- as a measure of players.

It tells you he's weak defensively and he doesn't have the strong defense to bail him out anymore.

+/- is a great stat if you know how to use it, in that it does evaluate team play but it also evaluates a player's defensive prowess. The numbers are best compared relative to the team.

Notice how most players on the Flyers are clumped in the -10 range.

Then notice how Pitkanen is twice that at -20.

This is where the +/- stat is useful, you see. To see who has been performing truly badly. Since you don't have NHL Centre Ice, I presume you haven't seen Philly play much this year. Pitkanen has sucked this year, both in stats (which you are ignoring) and in his play (which you have not seen much of). Career numbers mean sh*t if you can't play well under pressure.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
More personal stuff. 'I' have none of this. 'You' have what?

My apologies. I was making a reference to your team of choice, the Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League. I have, for your comprehension, reformatted my post:

Yes, I forgot...The Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League have Robbie Schremp of the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins of the AHL. Robbie Schremp of the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins of the AHL'll save The Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League, build a team around him!

Now if only Robbie Schremp of the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins of the AHL could score as much as Dustin Boyd of the Omaha Ak-Sar-Ben Knights of the AHL in the AHL or NHL with the Calgary Flames.

And what about goaltenders? Dwayne Roloson of the Edmonton Oilers is fading fast, who is in line to replace him? Jussy Rebounds aka Jussi Markkanen of the Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League?

Your #1 goalie prospect is Devan Dubnyk of the Stockton Thunder of the ECHL. Devan Dubnyk of the Stockton Thunder of the ECHL's being outplayed by 2 of Calgary's goalie prospects: Leland Irving of the Everett Silvertips of the WHL and Curtis McElhinney of the Omaha Ak-Sar-Ben Knights of the AHL.

[notyoueither]

+/- is about the most meaningless stat maintained by the NHL.

Have a look at this defensive liabilities numbers in 97-98 and 02-03.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=1592&hubname=nhl-flames

What a loser. No hope for him!

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither


More personal stuff. 'I' have none of this. 'You' have what?

Huh?? there's nothing personal there except attributing Oiler "ownership" to you. Inaccurate I guess but not really that personal

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

My apologies. I was making a reference to your team of choice, the Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League. I have, for your comprehension, reformatted my post:

Again discussing me. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flubber

Huh?? there's nothing personal there except attributing Oiler "ownership" to you. Inaccurate I guess but not really that personal

Hey! How about Phoenix?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flubber
Huh?? there's nothing personal there except attributing Oiler "ownership" to you. Inaccurate I guess but not really that personal

He's apparently upset because Ming chewed him out via PM for making unprovoked personal attacks on me repeatedly in this thread.

Apparently he thinks Ming is being absurd, so he's doing this little game where if anyone uses any personal article it constitutes a personal attack. Whatever.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Again discussing me. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

We are permitted to discuss other posters. We are not permitted to personally attack other posters.

This is a distinction you would be in your best interest to make. If you're just going to spam this thread with nonsense like this, please go away.

[notyoueither]

I would say going on, and on, and on... about +/- is far more about spam than anything I have done.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
+/- is about the most meaningless stat maintained by the NHL.

Have a look at this defensive liabilities numbers in 97-98 and 02-03.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=1592&hubname=nhl-flames

What a loser. No hope for him!

This is precisely my point.

Look at the team numbers in 97-98 and 02-03. Iginla was significantly above the team average in both years in +/-. As I said, +/- is best used to compare a player within the confines of a team, relative to the others.

Iginla proved himself to be an elite player, even when the team was minus. Good players will find a way to be above average +/- on a team, and that's the end of it. Then again, my idea of a "good" player is one who is well-rounded: has offense and defensive capabilities. Others here think it's only about offense.

[Kontiki]

Speaking of +/-, I just finished losing that stat by 21 points. I don't think I've ever taken that bad a beating in any category.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
Since you don't have NHL Centre Ice, I presume you haven't seen Philly play much this year. Pitkanen has sucked this year, both in stats (which you are ignoring) and in his play (which you have not seen much of).

Asher

Are you saying you have watched a lot of Philly games this year? Why would you inflict that on yourself ??











I can guess actually that the fact that Oveckin and Crosbie play them a lot would be an enticement to see them play a bit

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I would say going on, and on, and on... about +/- is far more about spam than anything I have done.

(Psst, +/- is a stat in our fantasy hockey league. Please look at the title of this thread if you think it's not something we should discuss)

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

He's apparently upset because Ming chewed him out via PM for making unprovoked personal attacks on me repeatedly in this thread.

Apparently he thinks Ming is being absurd, so he's doing this little game where if anyone uses any personal article it constitutes a personal attack. Whatever.

He specifcally mentioned discussion of mental capabilities. I'd be careful about comments regarding comprehension, but then again I assume certain posters from Calgary have received simliar PMs so I would have no new information for them.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flubber
Asher

Are you saying you have watched a lot of Philly games this year? Why would you inflict that on yourself ??

I can guess actually that the fact that Oveckin and Crosbie play them a lot would be an enticement to see them play a bit

I have watched a lot of Philly games. Mostly it's like watching a car wreck, and also because lots of their games are on during intermissions of other games and they play Pittsburgh a lot.