Sarah Palin: Completely bat****

[Japher]

I can't wait to use that.

[KrazyHorse]

I'm going to use it on my wife when I pick her up. Something to look forward to.

[rah]

[Kuciwalker]

[Q=Ramo;5661979]

Palin said the treatment of her down's syndrome boy would be at risk under the plan, too.

That is utterly retarded. What exactly is the mechanism in any of the pieces of legislation on the table that would facilitate such a thing?[/Q]
The fact that the single payer decides how much will be paid for treatment, and who will be eligible, and the guy Obama has in charge has said that people outside the ages of 15 to 40 are not on the "priority curve."

GOOD!

Anyone who disagrees with that should be denied medical care.

[Drake Tungsten]

it would be sweet poetic justice for all those hippy country destroying baby boomers to reap what they sow.

QFT

[Guynemer]

I'd just like to note that, unless I'm very much mistaken, this is the longest thread I have ever started in about a decade of Poly participation. What fun!

[Drake Tungsten]

Your trolling is improving.

[Guynemer]

I remember Bugs ****ing Bunny posting a similar picture on Counterglow, but with a decidedly different joke:

"Sarah, what's the difference between your mouth and your vagina?"
...
"Only 20% of what comes out of your vagina is retarded."
...




I'm pretty sure, as a pediatrician, I am going straight to hell for repeating that.

[Straybow]

[Q=Ramo;5662600]Dear lord, the 'tartitude here is epic.

1. There is NO single payer in any of the pieces of legislation that might be passed. [/Q] Numerous Representatives, Senators and Mr. Pres himself have all stated that single payer is their goal, and whatever they pass will be an incremental application of that goal. The various drafts of the bill have included Procrustean means of virtually eliminating private insurance. Please take your head out of your nether orifice and smell the coffee.

2. The person in charge of the federal administration of health care is a gal. Her name is Kathleen Sebelius. The person in charge of getting health care through Congress is also a gal. Her name is Nancy-Ann DeParle. Zeke Emanuel is one of many advisers at the White House.

OK, I over-spoke his importance. Zeke is only an advisor to the Pres who says single payer is his goal. He advocates single-payer and portends a Malthusian "solution" to the economics of rationing and artificial scarcity of supply induced by single-payer.

3. Nowhere did Emanuel say anything about cutting services to downs syndrome kids. Money isn't infinite. Responsible people like Emanuel are interested in coming up with a fair and equitable way to distribute resources.

How 'bout leaving the market to find a way to meet the needs rather than trying to control the resources by command? Then he can use his great intellect to make sure the weakest members of society, like the Downs kids and the elderly, don't get left out. Instead he thinks he and other like himself are smart enough to control from afar how we spend our healthcare money. Such hubris is never rewarded.

[Straybow]

[Q=Kidicious;5662701]Resources are scarce. There aren't enough people, medicine or machines to give everyone the health care that they demand. With the free market people are excluded from health care through the price mechanism. Hence, the rising cost of health care.[/Q] The only scarcity is in places like Canada and UK. The rising cost of health care isn't a problem. The costs rise because we're getting better diagnostics and treatments over time. More hospitals with MRI and CAT machines. More effective drugs.

The most serious obstacle to availability in this country is the enormous tort insurance burden placed on doctors and hospitals, which none of the Dems are addressing.

[Lorizael]

The only scarcity is in places like Canada and UK.

According to this site, the statistics aren't as clear cut as that.

Beds per 1000 people:

UK: 4.1
Canada: 3.9
US: 3.6

Acute care beds per 1000 people:

UK: 3.9
Canada: 3.2
US: 2.9

Physicians per 1000 people:

US: 2.3
UK: 2.2
Canada: 2.1

Nurses per 1000 people:

Canada: 9.9
UK: 8.8
US: 8.1

[notyoueither]

[Q=Kidicious;5662701]Resources are scarce. There aren't enough people, medicine or machines to give everyone the health care that they demand. With the free market people are excluded from health care through the price mechanism. Hence, the rising cost of health care.[/Q] The only scarcity is in places like Canada and UK. The rising cost of health care isn't a problem. The costs rise because we're getting better diagnostics and treatments over time. More hospitals with MRI and CAT machines. More effective drugs.

The most serious obstacle to availability in this country is the enormous tort insurance burden placed on doctors and hospitals, which none of the Dems are addressing.

Is this incorrect?

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/2094/Medical_malpractice:_What_remedy__.html

He points out that in 2003 US businesses paid $27 billion for auto liability premiums and $57 billion for workers’ compensation insurance premiums, whereas health professionals paid only around $11 billion in total in medical malpractice premiums.

[Ben Kenobi]

More hospitals with MRI and CAT machines

This is a huge problem. As for the nurses per population, that is misleading because of economies of scale.

[Theben]

Do you literally have any idea what the "free market" means? Here is a hint, it doesn't exist in the United States.

Free market!= laisse faire

[Asher]

This is a huge problem. As for the nurses per population, that is misleading because of economies of scale.