Nolan is so ridiculous

[Bereta_Eder]

I knew when I entered the cinema that I would be seeing just another stupid holly wood movie and I was not dissapointed.

It was deliciously midiocre and I didn't know what was more prevelent: the immense cringe or the disbelief that such a stupid movie that has compleltey missed all the points of the Odussey exists now.

Might as well X - Men or some other kids' movie.

Deliously deplorable


Just one thing (god there are so many goof ups its hilarous)

You do know that homer NEVER specificallyh discrebied ΩΡΑΙΑ ΕΛΕΝΗ, beautiful helen.

why not?

because he knew that each man sees the ultimate beauty different;y and he didn't want to cut off anyone's imagination.

He never ver discribed her. Nothing of her physical attributes is known. nothing. not. one. thing.


Except this one: she has a white arms

[Bereta_Eder]

He could have went with a mongolianm dwarf with a wooden crutch and he would still have been more faithful to the original.

However this is only a minor laugh.

Odysseus wasn't at no given time gen z.

and greek tales do not get to be "Adapted" to whatever current situation is percevied to exist in any clown's mind.
They contain pnhuman dilemas and questions that remain unaltered and undiluted always pertinent to whatever the current fashion is because exactly they rest at the core of humanity.


what kid of jerk tries to turn kirki or poenelope into a femtx 6th gebneration feminazi suicidal squade

or make the greeks have remorse for that they did to the trojans?


i bet he hasn't even read the trojan women

a solid 6 (it would have been a 5 of not for the laughs of seeing an one eyed giant gollum )

[Bereta_Eder]

I think I have also to say something positive:

the settings were very good. the acting was very good. the overal "Adventure" feeling was good.
it had a nice pace, it didn't become boring.

But it wasn't the odyssey. I was primarily irked by the infantile level of its "philosophical dilemmas". Don't try to touch upon those if you don't know how. All you can do is sully them.

all in all It was a well directed "Adventure".

apart from that, indifferent

[Elok]

The funny thing about the whole Helen controversy is that Helen is about as irrelevant to the plot of the Odyssey as it is possible for a character to be. She was a living maguffin in its prequel; she could be dead or not be mentioned at all and it would have no effect on the story of this one dude getting lost on the way home from forcibly retrieving her.

Doing implausible minority casting then getting condescending when people object is, of course, generally ridiculous, even when they aren't giving us a Latina named Snow White. But the real issue is that there are lots of minority actors who understandably would like better roles, while risk-averse studio executives would prefer to keep mining the same proven-safe IPs they've been flogging to death for fifty-plus years. And those IPs are mostly about us honkies, so the only way out is to have a black Helen or whatever. Then you get disingenuously smirky when people call your retarded casting choice retarded, and nobody asks you to take a chance on producing more stories where a minority in a major role would actually make a lick of sense. The latter choice would also have the not-inconsiderable benefit of giving us new and interesting stories to watch ...

[Lorizael]

A black Helen is a "retarded" casting choice only if you are obsessed very specifically with skin color. It has nothing to do with racial or ethnic plausibility given... *waves broadly at the rest of the cast*.

[Jon Miller]

I looked up who they cast.

Lupita can play the most beautiful woman in the world. No problem for me.

JM

[Elok]

Not actually all that familiar with the rest of the cast, except that Zendaya is involved as Athena which is only a bad casting choice because Zendaya is just not that interesting to watch in the first place. And I guess Elliot Page is one soldier or something, which I guess means he is still working, good for him. And Odysseus is ... Matt Damon? Sure, why not. That pretty well wraps up what I know about the casting and I'm not going to google.

While there was a fair amount of ethnic diversity in the ancient Mediterranean, Lupita Nyongo'o is very plainly of sub-Saharan African ancestry and her being Helen is thus kind of a head-scratcher. Did the Spartans never wonder how the hell their ethnically Greek queen gave birth to a daughter who appears to have no genes in common with her or anyone else they have ever met? Or are we just ignoring all real-world geography in this Greek story full of Greek names and characters? This isn't a matter of "obsession" but of the actor not matching up to one of the character's exactly three given physical attributes (female, attractive, plausibly Greek).

If they're doing the modern-interpretation-of-Shakespeare thing and Telemachus is played by a Puerto Rican guy while Penelope is Asian then sure, that's silly too. This isn't really a big thing, minority actors want work too, fine, whatever, but I reserve the right to notice that it is, for the record, ridiculous.

[Lorizael]

This isn't a matter of "obsession" but of the actor not matching up to one of the character's exactly three given physical attributes (female, attractive, plausibly Greek)

No, it's definitely about skin color. In what way is Matt Damon, an American man with English, Scottish, Finnish, and Swedish ancestry, plausibly Greek? Or Anne Hathaway (Penelope), an American woman with Irish, English, German, and French ancestry? Or Tom Holland (Telemachus), a Brit? The answer is that, in 2026, all those ethnicities are subsumed into the greater category of white, and Greek is stuffed in there, too. Lupita Nyongo'o, on the other hand, gets put in the Black basket.

...Lupita Nyongo'o is very plainly of sub-Saharan African ancestry...

Would it be ridiculous for a sub-Saharan African film company to do a production of The Odyssey? Or an East Asian film company? This was produced by an American film company and helmed by a British director. It cast actors who work in Hollywood.

Did the Spartans never wonder how the hell their ethnically Greek queen gave birth to a daughter who appears to have no genes in common with her or anyone else they have ever met?

Her father is canonically Zeus, a god who frequently turned into a wide variety of different creatures when he chose to descend from Mount Olympus and impregnate mortal women. Should we be surprised that a semi-divine figure called the most beautiful woman in the world has remarkable physical features?