Tantrum of the week

[Elok]

Slightly less than half of Americans now support abolishing ICE: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.ne...rt_qsNv5iE.pdf

Item 47 on the list; item 31C, support for Trump on immigration, has slightly more than half opposing his handling of the issue. This is not simply a matter of "libs" freaking out. Trump's ICE are twenty-first century Black and Tans; when you give random schmucks guns, negligible training, and a ridiculously broad mandate, you tend to get dead bodies and outrage. This is all disgraceful and will set your cause back enormously. Only adding this because I tend to roll my eyes more than anyone else here at people freaking out about fascist Trump etc. I cannot be accused of TDS. So, for the record: ICE sucks.

[Lorizael]

...when you give random schmucks guns, negligible training, and a ridiculously broad mandate, you tend to get dead bodies and outrage.

If only anybody had been able to predict this!

You cannot be in favor off mass deportation now and want a slow, methodical system that figures out who is and isn't allowed to be here by law. Mass deportation now means you want all the bad people (you know, the bad ones) gotten rid of, which we know because historically that's what mass deportation has always meant.

never attribute to malice that which is more easily explained by stupidity.

I assure you, if we mass deport 20 million people (the number Trump claims are "illegal") with the National Guard (which Trump has advocated), it will be done stupidly. That doesn't make it not bad.

[EPW]

I wish I could be as insightful as Elok.

[BeBMan]

Earlier: JDVNoem "domestic terrorism!"

Now: DT

"They're going to make some mistakes sometimes," he said. "It can happen. We feel terribly."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-frustration-team-mistakes-one-year-office-rcna255059

[Thoth]

Interesting to read Trumps babblings juxtaposed with Carney's recent speech at the World Economic Forum:

https://globalnews.ca/news/11620877/carney-davos-wef-speech-transcript/

I am very pleased that we replaced Junior with Carney.

[Lorizael]

I wish I could be as insightful as Elok.

Eh, he's a pretty insightful guy. But my post isn't so much aimed at him as it is using him as a jumping off point. I just really ****ing hate how predictable and unavoidable this all was.

[Elok]

I mean, our host has grumped at me for only ever defending right-wingers, so I did the Nixon-to-China thing and said, for the record, no, this was legit bad and dumb. The point was not in the thing being said--which, yes, is obvious--so much as me being the one to say it.

[Broken_Erika]

[Dauphin]

I mean, our host has grumped at me for only ever defending right-wingers, so I did the Nixon-to-China thing and said, for the record, no, this was legit bad and dumb. The point was not in the thing being said--which, yes, is obvious--so much as me being the one to say it.

I'd be more surprised if Oerdin or Sloww said it.

[Elok]

... if I had Sloww's login I wouldn't waste it on weaksauce like that. Anyway, what dumbass had the bright idea to have immigration officials cover up their faces like terrorist extras from a nineties movie?

[-Jrabbit]

It's about creating fear. I agree it was a dumbass move.

[Lorizael]

https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2d

Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge’s warrant, memo says

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.

The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.

Man, if only somebody had predicted, a quarter century ago, that erecting a second, separate justice system targeting undesirables and overseen only by the executive branch would be bad for the rule of law.

[Broken_Erika]

https://apnews.com/article/ice-arres...91b160758aeb2d



Man, if only somebody had predicted, a quarter century ago, that erecting a second, separate justice system targeting undesirables and overseen only by the executive branch would be bad for the rule of law.

They've admitted it and are defending it.

When asked about the memo, Homeland Security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in an emailed statement to The Associated Press that everyone the department serves with an administrative warrant has already had "full due process and a final order of removal."

She said the officers issuing those warrants have also found probable cause for the person's arrest. She said the Supreme Court and Congress have "recognized the propriety of administrative warrants in cases of immigration enforcement," without elaborating.

McLaughlin did not respond to questions about whether ICE officers entered a person's home since the memo was issued relying solely on an administrative warrant and if so, how often.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-immigration-enforcement-ice-no-warrants-9.7055362

[Lorizael]

DHS can recognize the propriety of my ass.

[Broken_Erika]

https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2014117964593696826?s=20

[EPW]

Eh, he's a pretty insightful guy. But my post isn't so much aimed at him as it is using him as a jumping off point. I just really ****ing hate how predictable and unavoidable this all was.

I agree with almost everything Elok says. It's the general smugness and buying into the right-wing propaganda points about "libs" that bugs me.