One nazi less?

[Geronimo]

He's a mouthpiece of your government, Trump latched onto him for political gain and I'm sure old Charlie would've approved of the political capital made in oppressing their perceived enemies. It's like asking if Josef Goebbels would've been viewed as a member of the Third Reich.

This is what I mean by recalibrate. You seriously believe those who fought against the Nazis of the Third Reich wouldn't be offended by your equating Donald Trump and his US government to the Third Reich. It's Serb level hyperbole. Get back to me when Trump sends the troops into Canada or Greenland.

[-Jrabbit]

He's sending troops into US cities. That's against the law, my dude.

[Geronimo]

Charlie Kirk said black women such as Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Ketanji Brown Jackson did not have the "brain processing power" to be taken seriously and that they had to "steal a white person's slot."

He said, "If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified."

He said "large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America."

He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake.

He said MLK was "awful" and "not a good person."

He said Jewish donors "have a lot of explaining to do" because they're the "number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits" and that "there will not be a safe future" until "you cleanse that ideology from the hierarchy in the academic elite."

He said that in New York City, "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people."

That's just a sampling.

He's offensive as hell. He's come across to me like a younger less chill version of Archie Bunker. He's nothing like Goebbels and killing someone for any of that **** is truly deplorable. calling him a nazi will backfire and perversely open people to his message and close them to the messages of the critics who are labelling him as such.

[Geronimo]

And as far as his "fascist campaigns," Charlie Kirk's main work was compiling and publishing a "watchlist" of professors with the wrong ideas so that they could be targeted for harassment, disciplinary action, and death threats.

How is that different from "deplatforming" that has been strongly advocated for people like Charlie Kirk for years now? To the extent that Kirk was opposed to deplatforming he was a hypocrite. There is no way hypocrisy is a useful diagnostic for fascism.

[N35t0r]

How is harassment and death threats different from deplatforming? Seriously?

[Lorizael]

...killing someone for any of that **** is truly deplorable.

Did anybody here advocate for that?

calling him a nazi will backfire and perversely open people to his message and close them to the messages of the critics who are labelling him as such.

I don't give a ****. Masked thugs are running around beating and arresting brown people at the direction of the president and with the blessing of the Supreme Court. We're doing all the terrible fascist **** I told you we were going to do under Trump 2.0 and your "now now let's tone down the rhetoric before something bad happens" schtick is way beyond parody at this point.

[Geronimo]

it's ok. If you want to help people understand what a horribly biased unrepentant ***** he was, I endorse that. If you want to equate him to Hitler's nazis or say "it's bad he was killed but.." (which you didn't) then I suppose we could argue and debate.

I'll agree that Trump is making the most fascist moves of any US president of my lifetime, but I think we'll have more success in opposing it domestically by sticking to US centered criticism like referencing the Posse Comitatus Act.

[Lorizael]

Nobody knows what the ****ing Posse Comitatus Act is. Everybody knows what fascism is.

[Geronimo]

Nobody knows what the ****ing Posse Comitatus Act is. Everybody knows what fascism is.

total BS. almost nobody knows what fascism is. that is the problem. The fact that everybody cavalierly assumes that they *know* what "fascism" is definitely makes that worse.

[Lorizael]

Almost nobody knows the technical details of and jargon used to describe fascism; everybody gets the gist.

Where does the sun fall on an HR diagram? What population star is it? What's its metallicity? Mass? You probably don't know the answers to those questions. But you know it when you see it; it's the big hot thing in the sky.

[EPW]

How dare you suggest Geronimo doesn't know something, jerk.

[Geronimo]

what if *I* suggest I don't know something EPW? maybe find another way to help me.

[Provost Harrison]

This is what I mean by recalibrate. You seriously believe those who fought against the Nazis of the Third Reich wouldn't be offended by your equating Donald Trump and his US government to the Third Reich. It's Serb level hyperbole. Get back to me when Trump sends the troops into Canada or Greenland.

I think you have a serious issue with recognising history when it is repeating...I don't know whether it is some sort of "it could never happen here" belief or otherwise I don't know. Your regime is literally sending out black cars with men in masks too black bag people who look "a bit foreign" to disappear them. To be blunt, your lack of outrage concerns me greatly, especially as you are a mere 9 months into his presidency and you can adjust be dragged off the streets and disappeared. Also in Charlie Kirk he (Trump) is already building up a pretext to a Kristallnacht of his very own, calling out for the silencing of the "left". Let you are trying to label me hyperbolic, nay, even hysterical.

If you are so incapable of seeing the signs or purely handwaving them away as sensationalism then you have a serious problem. And turning a blind eye to the rise of fascism is as problematic as openly endorsing it.

[Provost Harrison]

total BS. almost nobody knows what fascism is. that is the problem. The fact that everybody cavalierly assumes that they *know* what "fascism" is definitely makes that worse.

Again, I have no idea what this potato cornstarch act is, to my ears it's more internal US bull**** attempting to rationalise away the huge ****ing mess you are actually in. And actively spreading like a migrating cancer to your (former) allies.

Perhaps I have the benefit of seeing this from outside but it is on the same scale as the riser of the Third Reich yet possibly at a faster pace. And let's face some awful facts, how was Fascism eliminated in the end? It wasn't through appealing to the better nature of fascists, let's be honest. So you need to react, and now, to stop this before it gets even worse. You're still in the nascent fascist state, still metastasising.

I don't know whether you're finding it more convenient to ignore facts but you must have noticed that our "sensationalism" over the past months or even years has actually been eerily prescient of what actually happened.

[Geronimo]

Almost nobody knows the technical details of and jargon used to describe fascism; everybody gets the gist.

Where does the sun fall on an HR diagram? What population star is it? What's its metallicity? Mass? You probably don't know the answers to those questions. But you know it when you see it; it's the big hot thing in the sky.

1. If people are navigating by the stars, then getting technical about the identity of particular stars matters.

2. When people are discussing politics, it should be obvious that either the labels are irrelevant and have no meaning or if they are to retain any meaning then there will need to be some kind of workable consensus about those meanings among anyone with a voice in the discussion.

3. how would your stance not allow for labelling of all Democrats as communists? Do you recognize how that would be a serious disservice to political discussion?

[Lorizael]

3. how would your stance not allow for labelling of all Democrats as communists?

Because that would be stupid.

The sun is the big yellow thing in the sky.

The moon is the big grey thing in the sky.

Oh so airplanes are the moon now?

No, because that's stupid and you know it.

[Geronimo]

I think you have a serious issue with recognising history when it is repeating...I don't know whether it is some sort of "it could never happen here" belief or otherwise I don't know. Your regime is literally sending out black cars with men in masks too black bag people who look "a bit foreign" to disappear them. To be blunt, your lack of outrage concerns me greatly, especially as you are a mere 9 months into his presidency and you can adjust be dragged off the streets and disappeared. Also in Charlie Kirk he (Trump) is already building up a pretext to a Kristallnacht of his very own, calling out for the silencing of the "left". Let you are trying to label me hyperbolic, nay, even hysterical.

If you are so incapable of seeing the signs or purely handwaving them away as sensationalism then you have a serious problem. And turning a blind eye to the rise of fascism is as problematic as openly endorsing it.

We only know history is repeating in hindsight. We are free to make our predictions. We should not feel free to talk as if those predictions are already historical fact. I AM outraged at overreaching of my government, but I don't see support for that here. I see people saying that my government is equivalent to the fascists already when actually it's got a long way to go, if it can even get there. How far back in the fascist regimes do you have to go to get to the level of "fascism" currently observed in the Trump government? the answer is never because all of them engaged in vastly more "fascist" activity than Trump has the moment they had power (go figure...) Trump could transition his government to a fascist one but he's not done so. One thing Trump definitely seems to be a mercantilist. How many mercantilist governments transitioned to fascism? none. Please name any of the pre-20th century fascist states. drawing a blank? that's because fascism wasn't invented yet. However, much harm Trump eventually inflicts as president, I strongly suspect that future historians will have a new word for that *kind* of regime and will certainly not see any reason to label it as "fascist" unless they redefine "fascist" to include a whole slew of pre-20th century authoritarian regimes.

[Geronimo]

Because that would be stupid.

The sun is the big yellow thing in the sky.

The moon is the big grey thing in the sky.

Oh so airplanes are the moon now?

No, because that's stupid and you know it.

no. I think labelling the Trump regime as "fascist" is stupid. I actually have more respect for someone who mistakes an airplane for the moon to be honest.

[Provost Harrison]

We only know history is repeating in hindsight

What? It's not about guesswork, it's about identifying patterns. And when so many points match that line then the probability of that prediction becomes more and more certain. That is what happened. If you didn't have the foresight or understanding to see this, that's on you, not me. You were warned. And you're still being warned. The evidence stacks up, the datapoints are clearly defining that trajectory with historical precedent.

The only hindsight being used is looking into history. What is being said about your regime many of us have been saying for years. And you dismissed it. And now you have the audacity to tell us we have the "benefit of hindsight" to say our predictions were true. But we told you then, and we're telling you now, it is real and happening *right now*. Procrastinate at your peril.