Pardon Trump

[Geronimo]

You could look up what they were actually charged with, you know. For their attempt to prevent the lawful, peaceful, democratic transition of power.

I can? I can readily get the 1,500 individual case details like you did? Even though the property damage, injury, and fatality totals don't allow for anything like enough damage to go around in comparison to the Minneapolis riots I'll look up the 1,500 people who remained in jail for year in association with the jan 06 riots and also look up the several thousand rioters who weren't jailed in Minneapolis and the comparison will shed light on the special circumstances that justified keeping all of trump's useful idiots in jail for years (until a presidential pardon) while jailing almost literally nobody for the damage to Minneapolis?

[Lorizael]

Sedition. They were charged with sedition. And the reason they were charged with sedition, in case you've forgotten, is because they attempted to disrupt the lawful, peaceful, democratic transfer of power. That is, they staged an insurrection. Which is, in fact, and this is true, not the same thing as causing property damage and looting.

[N35t0r]

Sedition. They were charged with sedition. And the reason they were charged with sedition, in case you've forgotten, is because they attempted to disrupt the lawful, peaceful, democratic transfer of power. That is, they staged an insurrection. Which is, in fact, and this is true, not the same thing as causing property damage and looting.

Nono, you don't get it. If you accidentally scratch your car against a fence, you're causing property damage, and this is the same as anarchy.

[Geronimo]

Nono, you don't get it. If you accidentally scratch your car against a fence, you're causing property damage, and this is the same as anarchy.

no you don't get it. There is nothing "accidental" about a riot. Show me a "riot" with mostly "accidental" damage and I'll show you a place with really bad planning for pedestrian traffic.

[N35t0r]

It's all anarchy everywhere all the time! Aaaaaahhhhhhh.

Luckily we have Elon Roman saluting, that will bring some order back!

[Geronimo]

Sedition. They were charged with sedition. And the reason they were charged with sedition, in case you've forgotten, is because they attempted to disrupt the lawful, peaceful, democratic transfer of power. That is, they staged an insurrection. Which is, in fact, and this is true, not the same thing as causing property damage and looting.

It is beyond laughable to suggest that in the case of the 06 Jan 2021 riots over 1,500 of them were guilty of directing sedition while the thousands destroying Minneapolis were not. Huge piles of evidence to establish intent were amassed to throw the book at all of Trump's useful idiots. Why were no invasive big state piles of evidence made available for thousands of other rioters at other riots?

[-Jrabbit]

This kind of comparative justice argument is insultingly stupid.

[Lorizael]

It is beyond laughable to suggest that in the case of the 06 Jan 2021 riots over 1,500 of them were guilty of directing sedition while the thousands destroying Minneapolis were not

Correct. So why do you think it's true?

[Geronimo]

Correct. So why do you think it's true?

First do we agree that whether rioters seek to subvert juries with a campaign of terror waged against the population or seek to "support" their demagogues in a campaign against their public servant "enemies" to coerce them into facilitating a totally fringe interpretation of law as was apparently desired on 06Jan2021, the rank and file rioters should be recognized as having similar guilt? Obviously Trump should have been impeached and possibly served jail time but his useful idiots were no worse than any other rioters (unless possibly they they did a lot less damage vs a lot fewer people)?

Second, could you clarify if you are asking us why anyone might think that Trump's useful idiots received vastly larger penalties for trying to influence the workings electoral college than are given to rioters for trying to terrify juries and even entire populations into ruling on cases as they demand? or are you asking why you think the prosecuting attorneys decided to work to charge these rioters but not to charge others? or are you asking both questions?

[Lorizael]

Why do you think there are 1500 Jan 6 insurrectionists currently in prison? Because MWHC said so?

Why do you think the George Floyd rioters didn't receive lengthy prison sentences? Because Fox News said so?

[Geronimo]

Why do you think there are 1500 Jan 6 insurrectionists currently in prison? Because MWHC said so?

Why do you think the George Floyd rioters didn't receive lengthy prison sentences? Because Fox News said so?

We rely on the media to get our impressions of these things despite an ostensibly public court system. My impressions have been formed from decades in which riots were followed by light sentences for the rioters of a few weeks at most unless the particular rioter started a particular fire or personally assaulted a particular person that resulted in a fatality I would usually learn of the sentences from a variety of sources including local broadcast affiliate news, the two major local newspapers, and occasionally from NPR/MPR, occasionally shared links that could be at least used as a starting point for corroboration.

In this case however I'll satisfy myself with search and share that hopefully you will agree is no more likely to favor Trump than the excoriate him:

https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

Note that the article claims that despite combing for suitable records nationwide they examined only about 300 charges against individuals in association with the Floyd riots vs over 1,500 people in association with the washington DC jan 6th rioting, Does anyone really believe that there were nearly 5 times as many criminals nationwide to support Trump's riot than the support seen for all of the previous summers rioting?

Here's another article that specifically corroborates that over 1,500 sets of charges were pressed in association with the Jan 6th rioting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/people-are-violent-jan-6-rioters-trump-pardoned-rcna188545​

[Geronimo]

whoops. missed the lnink and when I went back to fix it ran afoul of the "don't just add a link" rule. Hopefully Ming can release the post.

[Lorizael]

Yes, ~1500 people were eventually charged in connection with January 6. There are not 1500 people in prison because of their insurrectionist activity. Not all were found guilty (or pleaded guilty). Not all of the cases had yet been resolved, because it was an ongoing investigation over years. Many received no jail time. A very big chunk received sentences on the order of days or weeks. A very few received sentences of years--those charged was seditious conspiracy. The main effect of the pardon was to absolve the insurrectionists of their sins, not to release "political hostages."

[giblets]

I do have to remind myself that this is a liberal website and several here are most likely have a hard time with all this . That does not make me happy..... oh heck, yes it does!

Trump wins.
Liberals ask how???
It sinks in
The next day
The View
MWHC
liberals for the 4 years

You might be the only person here who watches The View.

[Geronimo]

Doesn't Trump constantly bill himself as the energy independence President? What a steaming crock.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/21/trump-executive-order-wind-turbine-offshore-projects/77848624007/

Apparently he needs to halt all production of electricity from wind on federal lands because of his enormous concerns for impacted wildlife. Obviously he's managed to line the fossil fuel industry behind himself and and further development of wind power is not good for their bottom line I'll allow that it might also be the spite of a shore lands real estate developer displeased with the awful "eyesore" of windmills when they could be replaced with smokestacks in the suburbs.

[-Jrabbit]

That stupid and incorrect. All the major fossil fuel companies are already profitably invested in alt energy like wind and solar.
And I guarantee you that "eyesore" and "wildlife" are just another way of saying "because I said so." Trump does NOT give a sh1t about birds.

[Geronimo]

I agree that his halting of development of offshore wind is stupid and incorrect. I hope you aren't saying that my expressed skepticism of the sincerity of his stated concerns for wildlife or that my speculation that maybe concessions to fossil fuel backers or his own business interests concerning his shore properties "blighted" by visible wind turbines are actually to blame are likewise "stupid and incorrect". However incorrect I might've been you can't expect Trump's real motives to be something that will stand up to critical scrutiny.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Or perhaps a lot of that wind hardware comes from China. Mining and drilling are also a lot of high paying jobs. I guess his first concern is jobs, economy (which is a big reason why he won) and getting the US back on track.

[-Jrabbit]

Yes, tell us again how we need Trump to get the world's strongest post-Covid economy "back on track." What a crock.

[Geronimo]

real household income. I agree that Trump's stated remedies are a big steaming crock though.

[Geronimo]

Or perhaps a lot of that wind hardware comes from China. Mining and drilling are also a lot of high paying jobs. I guess his first concern is jobs, economy (which is a big reason why he won) and getting the US back on track.

I'm sorry, but replacing renewables built with imported hardware with non-renewables of almost any kind will be a job killer, not a job saver. He can either characterize himself as "the energy independence president" and *not* do this or he can do this and stop calling himself the energy independence president. He can't do both and retain credibility.