trump: immigrants eat dogs?

[Dinner]

​​​​​​Weird stuff does happen though who knows how wide spread it is. Probably not all that common. Still at around 26 minutes in the video there is a picture police took of a group from the Congo in Africa bbqing their neighbor's cat in Dayton, OH. Hopefully they get charged with animal cruelty.

https://www.youtube.com/live/9HkKJg-TBOo?si=A4Xy9VaM_JxtjhbF

Also Haiti has a long history of eating cats especially in rural areas. It seems to be more fringe than mainstream though. Practiced by the rural poor.

[Elok]

I have heard, ancillary to discussion of this topic elsewhere, that eating cat is very much a lower-class habit in Haiti, but not remarkable.

[Geronimo]

He's credulous, yes, but in specific predictable ways: he believes any racist garbage he hears because he is racist, he believes anything a powerful person tells him because he loves being aligned with powerful people, and he believes anything someone tells him immediately following them showering him with praise because he's a narcissist .

this is a great sound bite but does it track with his bizarre pattern of lies? I think your characterization tracks dead on with the lies that the echo chambers that report on Trump to his detractors select to publish in hopes that those Trump lies will keep the echoes going strong enough to keep the lights on.

[N35t0r]

this is a great sound bite but does it track with his bizarre pattern of lies? I think your characterization tracks dead on with the lies that the echo chambers that report on Trump to his detractors select to publish in hopes that those Trump lies will keep the echoes going strong enough to keep the lights on.

So you're saying that media are selectively publishing only some of Trump's lies to make him look more competent at being a hateful, narcissistic megalomaniac because otherwise if people realized he's even more irrational their circulation/viewership would go down, and only anti-trump people are influenced by how Trump is portrayed?

[Geronimo]

So you're saying that media are selectively publishing only some of Trump's lies to make him look more competent at being a hateful, narcissistic megalomaniac because otherwise if people realized he's even more irrational their circulation/viewership would go down, and only anti-trump people are influenced by how Trump is portrayed?

not really but also not entirely untrue. Whatever news outlet is selected in the US will usually have a spin and narrative game going about democrats and republicans and they avoid publishing anything that adds complication or nuance to that because:

A: they think it undermines faith in their reporting by their (highly partisan) audience.

B: because they genuinely support power for either Republicans or for Democrats to the point where they feel obligated to spin the reporting a bit to do their part to carry the day.

Trump's (in)competence is actually very difficult to safely convey to the public with sound bites. A hate narrative is a much easier deliverable. the vast majority of times I see a hate sounds bit from Trump however, the painful work of seeing the clip in context reveals a vastly less inflammatory or even entirely inoffensive comment. Of course this doesn't mean he's not a racist, just that if so he's far more careful and nuanced about that than the sound bites would seem to convey, The idea that Trump believes every racist lie that comes his way could only appear true to someone relying exclusively on one end of these partisan filtered news sources.

Of course I suspect the primary reason he rejects a given racist lie, however, is when it conflicts with his narcissism so it may just be damning with faint praise.

[Lorizael]

I think racism is a relatively small component of Trump's worldview compared to his narcissism, but it's there and it's also relevant here because he's currently spreading racist garbage because of racist lies he heard on television. But also the reason we're in this mess is because a black guy became president and then made fun of him and he absolutely couldn't stand that.

[N35t0r]

not really but also not entirely untrue. Whatever news outlet is selected in the US will usually have a spin and narrative game going about democrats and republicans and they avoid publishing anything that adds complication or nuance to that because:

A: they think it undermines faith in their reporting by their (highly partisan) audience.

B: because they genuinely support power for either Republicans or for Democrats to the point where they feel obligated to spin the reporting a bit to do their part to carry the day.

Trump's (in)competence is actually very difficult to safely convey to the public with sound bites. A hate narrative is a much easier deliverable. the vast majority of times I see a hate sounds bit from Trump however, the painful work of seeing the clip in context reveals a vastly less inflammatory or even entirely inoffensive comment. Of course this doesn't mean he's not a racist, just that if so he's far more careful and nuanced about that than the sound bites would seem to convey, The idea that Trump believes every racist lie that comes his way could only appear true to someone relying exclusively on one end of these partisan filtered news sources.

Of course I suspect the primary reason he rejects a given racist lie, however, is when it conflicts with his narcissism so it may just be damning with faint praise.

Regarding the media bias reasons you mention, would you say this is also so, to the same degree, in international media?

Furthermore, you claim that the vast majority of 'hate' quotes coming from him are taken out of context and are not as inflammatory or downright inoffensive when taken with context is something I'm highly skeptical about, given that a lot of his communication is via Twitter or other similar short-term text, for which there usually is no context.

I've also seen it put forward that the media in the US is more interested in presenting Trump as a viable candidate that has a chance of winning, since this generates much more engagement than presenting him as a hateful incompetent who would seriously harm the US should he become president again. To this end, there is a constant 'normalization' of most of his more , shall we say, out-there claims, trying to generate discussion around statements and behaviors that shouldn't merit more than outright dismissal at best (case in pont, posters coming up with cat-eating being a long tradition and/or habitual among Haiti's lower classes)

[Uncle Sparky]

Raping lower class women is a tradition among the wealthy elite. No-one can accuse Trump of something like that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21fXqguD7U

Context is everything.

[Geronimo]

Regarding the media bias reasons you mention, would you say this is also so, to the same degree, in international media?

Furthermore, you claim that the vast majority of 'hate' quotes coming from him are taken out of context and are not as inflammatory or downright inoffensive when taken with context is something I'm highly skeptical about, given that a lot of his communication is via Twitter or other similar short-term text, for which there usually is no context.

I've also seen it put forward that the media in the US is more interested in presenting Trump as a viable candidate that has a chance of winning, since this generates much more engagement than presenting him as a hateful incompetent who would seriously harm the US should he become president again. To this end, there is a constant 'normalization' of most of his more , shall we say, out-there claims, trying to generate discussion around statements and behaviors that shouldn't merit more than outright dismissal at best (case in pont, posters coming up with cat-eating being a long tradition and/or habitual among Haiti's lower classes)

I can't characterize the international media. The same spin game generally occurs but unlike US domestic politics the stakeholders have a lot less investment in Democrats vs Republicans so of course it's all over the place in terms of bias, generally and I try to rely mostly on international media for my news about US politics in particular. I will say however that nearly everyone in the world outside the US resents Trump for his protectionist, USA -first schtick and they are going to be much more confident about telling their audience what a horrible person he is than about telling them anything more nuanced than that.

[N35t0r]

I will say however that nearly everyone in the world outside the US resents Trump for his protectionist, USA -first schtick and they are going to be much more confident about telling their audience what a horrible person he is than about telling them anything more nuanced than that.

lol, no

[Geronimo]

lol, no

what's your favorite international media? what do you recommend for highest journalistic integrity (as opposed to partisan integrity)?

[Dinner]

This is the video of the migrants from Congo caught killing and eating cats last summer. The video is from Dayton, Ohio which is the next town over from Springfield. Again, probably an isolated case but anyone who says this sort of stuff doesn't happen is a liar.

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio

There is another video from three years ago of a black woman, who appears to either be mentally ill or on drugs, killing and eating a cat as well. Neighbors (also a black family) called the police and reported that a strange woman killed a cat and was trying to eat it.

https://youtu.be/yDDMGC4NzNY?si=aIv3cMgISNu0xCT7

Again, an isolated case involving a drugged out person (and a U.S. citizen) but the world is full of weird and evil stuff. That last one was in Canton, OH.

[giblets]

So.. migrants from a different country, in a different town, ate something that is maybe a cat, in an area with abundant stray cats, therefore it's reasonable to claim immigrants are eating people's pets.

[Dinner]

If you want to lie then you can continue to do. That said migrants, in that individual case at least, did indeed kill and eat their neighbor's cat. Deal with it.

[giblets]

Trump said they're eating people's pets in Springfield, Ohio. Deal with it.

[Dinner]

I have heard, ancillary to discussion of this topic elsewhere, that eating cat is very much a lower-class habit in Haiti, but not remarkable.

Yeah, that is also what I have heard. Mostly a desperation food by the rural poor. The religion of voodoo is also wide spread in Haiti and animal sacrifice if part of that religion. I don't really know the details though so I am not all that interested in that tangent.

[N35t0r]

what's your favorite international media? what do you recommend for highest journalistic integrity (as opposed to partisan integrity)?

I was laughing at your laughable claim that nearly everybody worldwide hate trump for being a protectionist "USA-first" clown.

First, a surprising minority of people worldwide actually support Trump. This generally (but not exclusively, I know a guy who is fairly left-leaning who supports him) correlates to right-wing-populist supporters, such as Bolsonaro supporters in Brazil, Milei supporters in Argentina and AFD voters in Germany (examples of which I have direct knowledge)

Second, a vast majority of people who hate Trump worldwide hate him for having been the president of the US. It's not happy, but you guys seem to have a very strong reputation, and your history of diplomatic...entanglements... since WWII has left a lot of bad blood (justified or otherwise) around. This, along with your economic influence which not always behaves in a particularly pleasant way (and is sometimes entangled with the above), is the main reason the US in general and a lot of people coming from there in general (especially politicians) is hated worldwide.

Third, this might surprise you, but a lot of people worldwide are not ruthless cynics just thinking about money. We care about human rights and human dignity. Hence, for example, the worldwide protests in solidarity for the George Floyd protests there in the US. AA lot of people worldwide have principles and morals, and many of their feelings are informed by those. In consequence, a lot of people hate trump because of his xenophobic, misogynistic discourse and behavior.

Oh, and finally, a lot of people really identify with (or are) the targets of Trump's xenophobic rants. Many of those hate him because they are being personally attacked.

[Dinner]

Much of it is a rehash but there are some interesting video clips on the topic which I had not seen before

https://youtu.be/XpNEzCX8LNU?si=24KqvgOTDF5f8uO7

The young black woman from Springfield crying about her cat getting eating by her Haitian neighbor is a data point.

[Ming]

Yep... if it's on youtube it MUST BE TRUE
Do you consider the city officials a data point ?