Politics Thread

[Jon Miller]

oh yes he did, he said Hunter had to balance the demands of the people bribing Joe with his ability to deliver

That isn't what he said.

JM

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/K5Nwt1wU-QQ

Judge releases 3 of the 4 Newburgh men sentenced to ~25 years for terrorism.

Back in 2010 the FBI lured a few men of questionable intellect, petty criminals, poor drug users or small time dealers, into committing terrorist acts - bombing Jewish synagogues, shooting stinger missiles at planes at the Newburgh airport. The FBI invented the plot, recruited the men with offers of wealth, and provided the (fake) weapons and targets.

Why did these men spend over a decade in prison when they were clearly entrapped?

Did the FBI people entrapping them get awarded and promoted?

Will they now be brought up on charges lol?

I think people who lie in court to send others to jail should serve the time their victims would have served.

[Berzerker]

oh yes he did, he said Hunter had to balance the demands of the people bribing Joe with his ability to deliver

Goldman kept trying to portray it as a scam to bilk people but those people were getting something for their money

Burisma got the prosecutor fired, Democrats told us Shokin was fired for not investigating Burisma. His replacement settled the matter and the owner of Burisma returned from exile.

When you see a bunch of people all start repeating the same line - Shokin refused to investigate Burisma - then you are listening to a narrative, a lie. Odds are the opposite, he was fired for investigating Burisma.

[Jon Miller]

Devon admitted people were bribing Joe thru Hunter

That is not what Devon Archer said.

JM

[Ming]

And Trump continues to threaten witnesses and prosecutors...

[Berzerker]

5 Mr. Archer. People always wanted more.

6 Mr. Goldman. Burisma wanted him to do more --

7 Mr. Archer. Right.

8 Mr. Goldman. -- with his connections.

9 Mr. Archer. Correct.

10 Mr. Goldman. And Hunter Biden understood that he could not do that, but he

11 was trying to --

12 Mr. Archer. Balance it.

13 Mr. Goldman. -- balance it and prove value to a company that expected him to do

14 things that --

15 Mr. Archer. Right.

16 Mr. Goldman. -- he was uncomfortable doing.

17 Mr. Archer. Right

Devon admitted people were bribing Joe thru Hunter

[Berzerker]

"I don't care what they talked about, no one puts their father on the phone during business meetings with foreign nationals unless it is to show influence."

Random poster on yahoo

[Berzerker]

Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Industries (he owned Skinwalker Ranch in Utah for a while) gave DeSantis 20m before he signed a restrictive abortion law, now he's pissed and threatening to stop bribing Ron until he A) gets more bribes from other people, and B) moderates on social policy. Little late, man.

[Dauphin]

So you've moved from 'hard because he is allowed to lie' to 'hard because they can't proved he knowingly lied'. Proving Trump knowingly lied is like proving fish live in water.

[Jon Miller]

The defense of faithless electors is that if something comes out so heinous that your partisans want someone else between the voting and the electors vote, then they should be able to make that decision. I agree that this defense is not democratic.

After 2020, I don't expect there to be any more faithless electors (in the classic sense) for a long time.

JM

[Jon Miller]

I think that something like 20 states that allow some form of faithless electors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

In 2016, there were 3 democratic votes for Colin Powell, 1 democratic vote for Faith Spotted Eagle, 1 democratic vote for Bernie Sanders, 1 republican vote for John Kasich and 1 republican vote for Ron Paul. So as you see, there were no democratic votes for Trump and no republican votes for Hillary.

While democratically, the notion of faithless electors is problematic, if faithless electors were legally allowed before the vote was taken place, then they are legally allowed.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Just as many electors changed from Hillary as changed to Hillary. Or it was more?

In any case, in some states (not all), electors can be faithless.

In many states they can not (and I think more in 2020 than in 2016). Constitutionally, and in the federal government, fake or false electors are all illegal. Trump was setting up fake electors, not pushing electors to be faithless. There is a difference. This difference is legally important.

JM

[Berzerker]

gonna be hard proving Trump knowingly lied

[Berzerker]

But it didn't give him the legal right to set up "fake" electors in an attempt to thwart the constitution and American voters.
That was illegal.

In 2016 Democrats (including Hillary) urged Trump's electors (some got death threats) to change their votes to her, I think at least one did. Trump was challenging a few states and apparently set up electors in case he won. Thats about the extent of my knowledge on the matter. I think the indictment claims he used fraud during that process.

[Dauphin]

And I think this more like a fraudster trying to con you out of money, and then giving up and just trying to steal your wallet when sweet talking failed.