The Media is Propaganda

[BeBMan]

Heh, it's almost as if he isn't debating in good faith...

[Berzerker]

There's a big leap between what I posted and what you just said.

If I said 'If elephants were the size of a mouse, they'd be easier to jump over', it doesn't mean I believe that elephants are the size of a mouse, or that I would like to jump over them.

Talk about a strawman...

"I find it funny that Berz thinks that the US intelligence apparatus was capable of "setting up a coup" in Ukraine and blaming the Russians for it, but they needed help from the press to catch this guy."

I asked you to clarify, that isn't a straw man and you're not clarifying anything with your analogies. You said it was funny for me to believe the US backed a coup when the FBI needed help finding a leaker. Kinda strange argument when we know the USA has backed many coups, so dont you also believe the US is capable of backing coups while also believing the FBI didn't find the leaker before the NYT/Wapo?

[-Jrabbit]

Dude, he was referencing YOUR claim that the US engineered a coup in Ukraine.

[Berzerker]

which is apparently funny because the US is incapable of that

[Berzerker]

Heh, it's almost as if he isn't debating in good faith...

I started a thread about media propaganda and you repeatedly complained about the title. Project much?

[Berzerker]

Lawrence Jones looks to be Tucker's replacement. He has a show on Saturday night that attracts a million viewers and he's libertarian. I was wondering if they'd replace him with a yes man hack or with someone with 1 foot outside the echo chamber. They chose the latter, but we'll soon see how much they let him go against the GOP.

[Berzerker]

Seymour Hersh said Assad in Syria gave us intel that prevented a major attack on our fleet based in Bahrain. We rewarded him by arming terrorists destroying his country.

[Geronimo]

we know the USA has backed many coups, so dont you also believe the US is capable of backing coups while also believing the FBI didn't find the leaker before the NYT/Wapo?

There's a world of difference between backing a coup, especially in a small country, and not only backing a coup, but engineering the whole thing in a country of 40 million and then somehow seizing enough control to force them to go to war with their large nuclear neighbor and engage in genocide on countrymen distinguished from the rest only by speaking a language the post coup president spoke as well.

The US as a rule, nearly always found its post-coup allies nearly impossible to stay on good terms with, let alone convert to functional puppet states.

[N35t0r]

"I find it funny that Berz thinks that the US intelligence apparatus was capable of "setting up a coup" in Ukraine and blaming the Russians for it, but they needed help from the press to catch this guy."

I asked you to clarify, that isn't a straw man and you're not clarifying anything with your analogies. You said it was funny for me to believe the US backed a coup when the FBI needed help finding a leaker. Kinda strange argument when we know the USA has backed many coups, so dont you also believe the US is capable of backing coups while also believing the FBI didn't find the leaker before the NYT/Wapo?

You're almost there!

I'll help you a bit: it would be indeed ridiculous for me to claim that the US isn't capable of throwing coups in other countries (this, by the way, doesn't imply I agree that the US was behind euromaidan).

[Berzerker]

So why is the FBI's slow response to the leak relevant to the US backing coups? Of course the US was behind it, we poured billions into the country to fund the opposition and even chose the replacement. We had a coup in the USA too, the security state helped Biden beat Trump.

[Berzerker]

anti-war voice and platform shut down... Democrats rejoice

[Berzerker]

There's a world of difference between backing a coup, especially in a small country, and not only backing a coup, but engineering the whole thing in a country of 40 million and then somehow seizing enough control to force them to go to war with their large nuclear neighbor and engage in genocide on countrymen distinguished from the rest only by speaking a language the post coup president spoke as well.

The US as a rule, nearly always found its post-coup allies nearly impossible to stay on good terms with, let alone convert to functional puppet states.

The US didn't force Ukraine to attack the Donbas, the right wing is quite willing to serve as Nato's proxy. But the US did help them get that power, armed and funded them and then ignored the unworthy victims of our Nazi army.

[N35t0r]

So why is the FBI's slow response to the leak relevant to the US backing coups?

It was slow because that guy had been leaking stuff for a while now, in that respect they were as slow as the news guys. Although shouldn't military intelligence have caught him earlier?

Of course the US was behind it, we poured billions into the country to fund the opposition and even chose the replacement. We had a coup in the USA too, the security state helped Biden beat Trump.

You have definitely gone off the deep end lol.

[Geronimo]

anti-war voice and platform shut down... Democrats rejoice

You're characterizing someone who confines disbursing his "anti-war voice" to a small group of gamers on Discord whom he constantly insists must keep his revelations to themselves as an "anti-war voice and platform”?

How so? Explain.

[Geronimo]

Seymour Hersh said Assad in Syria gave us intel that prevented a major attack on our fleet based in Bahrain. We rewarded him by arming terrorists destroying his country.

If true it would certainly anger me but nowhere near as much as when we rewarded Gaddafi's dismantling of Libya's WMD programs in response to the anti-WMD war against Iraq by almost immediately going to war in a regime change campaign against Libya. That was profoundly stupid.

[Berzerker]

It was slow because that guy had been leaking stuff for a while now, in that respect they were as slow as the news guys. Although shouldn't military intelligence have caught him earlier?




You have definitely gone off the deep end lol.

Regardless of why it was slow, why is the FBI's response relevant to the matter of US backed coups?

[Berzerker]

You're characterizing someone who confines disbursing his "anti-war voice" to a small group of gamers on Discord whom he constantly insists must keep his revelations to themselves as an "anti-war voice and platform”?

How so? Explain.

I was talking about Tucker