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This thread is a perfect example of the power of propaganda in the world of media we live in. Spin is in and that is such a bothersome thing....
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"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003 -
Did MSNBC take a big hit when they fired Donahue after 9/11? Firing Tucker was a big mistake, Fox's Budweiser moment.Comment
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"Despite its glaring flaws and failure to seek on-the-ground corroboration, the State Department-funded Yale HRL report got one thing right about the experience of children enrolled in the Donbas Express: they are likely to keep their involvement in the program secret. In the eyes of Ukrainian authorities, the simple act traveling to Russia — even for free music lessons — is tantamount to collaborating with the enemy.
As the report says, “Many families in Ukraine do not want to publicly share their [camp or school] experiences because they fear they will be seen [by Ukraine] as collaborators with Russia.”
"Not only have the Yale HRL/State Department paper’s authors demonstrated zero concern for the safety of these families, they have inspired calls for their immediate return to a conflict zone where they could be tortured or killed by the Ukrainian government."
So our state dept pays Yale to "research" kidnapping and the report becomes the basis for an international criminal court issuing an arrest warrant for Putin and the woman running the program while the guy who did the study is on TV reminding us about the holocaust and crying crocodile tears about the children. Hmm... now where did we hear about children in cages? Comment
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Yeah, and it was appropriate, in that the US didn't arm either ISIS nor north Vietnam.Originally posted by Berzerker View PostIndifference is BlissComment
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Your analogy is illogical, we sent weapons to the S Vietnamese govt, we did not send weapons to Assad's govt. And of course we armed ISIS, they were on our side. They took half of Syria in less than 2 years under Obama and virtually disappeared by the summer of '18 with Trump in office. "Moderate rebels" was a lie to cover for the fact we were arming ISIS to pressure Syria. Thats why the neocons were so pissed at Trump, without ISIS doing our fighting who would create that pressure?
Now at some point in Obama's 2nd term you'd think he would notice ISIS was expanding and stop the flow of weapons but he didn't. The goal was regime change and ISIS - like Azov in Ukraine - was a means to that end. Must be close to a million dead and the lives of millions more ruined under Obama.
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Did you actually read the "AQ is on our side" email? Nothing about it suggests anybody would consider sending AQ or ISIS one red cent. There's is tons of evidence that Democrats, Republicans, and evil neocon schemers fretted a great deal about weapons falling into AQ or ISIS hands. There is zero evidence that any of them considered sending them anything directly or indirectly to AQ or ISIS whatsoever.Originally posted by Berzerker View PostYour analogy is illogical, we sent weapons to the S Vietnamese govt, we did not send weapons to Assad's govt. And of course we armed ISIS, they were on our side. They took half of Syria in less than 2 years under Obama and virtually disappeared by the summer of '18 with Trump in office. "Moderate rebels" was a lie to cover for the fact we were arming ISIS to pressure Syria. Thats why the neocons were so pissed at Trump, without ISIS doing our fighting who would create that pressure?
Now at some point in Obama's 2nd term you'd think he would notice ISIS was expanding and stop the flow of weapons but he didn't. The goal was regime change and ISIS - like Azov in Ukraine - was a means to that end. Must be close to a million dead and the lives of millions more ruined under Obama.Comment
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Except for the fact ISIS was getting our weapons and taking ground while our moderate rebels vanishedComment
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"We’ve found ISIS use of arms and ammunition from at least 25 different countries – a large proportion were originally sourced by the Iraqi military from the USA, Russia and former Soviet bloc states."Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/how-isis-...0bloc%20states.
Because...of course they didn't capture any weapons when the Iraqi's abandoned them.
This is just another rabbit hole of pure B.S. propaganda that you allow yourself to be taken down."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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How many Toyota pickups did ISIS end up having. As an example of how easy it is for supplies to get there...One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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BERZMODE: "The Japanese government was covertly supplying the pickups in an attempt to overthrow Assad and by doing so get secret U.S. permission to rearm so they could conquer China" BERZMODE off.Originally posted by Dauphin View Post"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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I never said ISIS didn't capture weapons, I said the USA was arming them. In Feb of 2012 Sullivan told Hillary Al Qaeda was on our side in Syria. Shortly afterward we started funneling weapons into Syria - and not thru Assad's govt N35 - and ISIS took half the country. The proxy war was exposed so Obama told us about his moderate rebels and ya'll believed him. Who exactly is my source for this BS propaganda? All I did was watch a time lapse map of Syria after our weapons flooded the country, those moderate rebels quickly became ISIS.Originally posted by PLATO View Post
"We’ve found ISIS use of arms and ammunition from at least 25 different countries – a large proportion were originally sourced by the Iraqi military from the USA, Russia and former Soviet bloc states."
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/how-isis-...0bloc%20states.
Because...of course they didn't capture any weapons when the Iraqi's abandoned them.
This is just another rabbit hole of pure B.S. propaganda that you allow yourself to be taken down.
As for all these other sources of weapons, did Amnesty find weapons from Libya and Eastern Europe? How about our allies like the Saudis, Qatar and UAE? At the same time Obama was arming ISIS in Syria he was arming Azov in Ukraine and Al Qaeda in Yemen, they were on our side there too.
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Who exactly is my source for this BS propaganda? All I did was watch a time lapse map of Syria
Comments like this make me think you are actually having a laugh and seeing how far you can take the conspiracy nut persona before it jumps the shark.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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source for your claim the US armed AQ in Yemen (or anywhere really)?Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
source for your claim someone said AQ was on our side in Yemen?
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If you want evidence of who we armed in Syria, watch a time lapse map of Syria as ISIS takes half the country and what happens to ISIS after Obama was out of office. Quite illuminating...Originally posted by Dauphin View PostComment
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AQ works for our Saudi friends in Yemen, they worked for the Saudis in Syria too. And I wont be surprised to find out we were arming AQ in Libya against Ghaddafi, they were among the people who attacked us in Benghazi.Originally posted by Geronimo View Post
"The U.S. has sent billions of dollars in weapons to the coalition to fight the Iran-backed Houthis. U.S. advisers also give the coalition intelligence used in targeting on-the-ground adversaries in Yemen, and American jets provide air-to-air refueling for coalition war planes."
That coalition includes Al Qaeda, the Saudis have backed them for decades. I said they're on our side in Yemen because they are.
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