The Media is Propaganda

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/FXy-yKHD4Ys

Aaron Mate on Mike Morell's testimony under oath. He admitted Blinken wanted the intel community to protect Biden and Morell helped because he wanted Biden to win (and a job). Who said accuse opponents of what you're doing? I suspect it was a propagandist. The deep state lied for Biden, censored Americans and called it democracy, and accused others of election interference.

[Berzerker]

https://www.whistleblowers.org/what-...histleblowers/

Have a read.

I got a no page exists message the 1st time but now I can read it (and its not a video)

Whistleblowing is defined under law as “disclosing information that you reasonably believe is evidence of a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.”

I still dont see where your link instructs journalists to hunt down whistle blowers and help the FBI arrest them.

[Geronimo]

I got a no page exists message the 1st time but now I can read it (and its not a video)

Whistleblowing is defined under law as “disclosing information that you reasonably believe is evidence of a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.”

I still dont see where your link instructs journalists to hunt down whistle blowers and help the FBI arrest them.

But...doesn't the definition you quote here obviously exclude the 21 year old discord leaker?

[Berzerker]

Why? Thats how the law defines the term, journalistic standards are more protective of leakers.

[Dauphin]

What standards are you referring to. I would like to know if you've actually read them

[Dauphin]

BTW, the standard I expect they would use in this case is. Seek truth and report it.

[Berzerker]

You mean help the FBI arrest him. Did they do that with Ellsburg?

[Berzerker]

What standards are you referring to. I would like to know if you've actually read them

Did you? Thats your link and I dont see anything in there about helping the FBI arrest leakers. The standards I'm talking about have protected whistle blowers for decades going back to Ellsburg and Vietnam.

[Geronimo]

Did you? Thats your link and I dont see anything in there about helping the FBI arrest leakers. The standards I'm talking about have protected whistle blowers for decades going back to Ellsburg and Vietnam.

How far would you draw the line? If personal details from tax records of thousands of Americans were being leaked into a discord server and the media discovered the identity of the leaker would you call the leaker a whistblower and demand their identity be withheld from the federal government?

the leaker would still be "a source". What makes a source into a "whistle-blower" that the media must protect in your opinion Berz?

[Berzerker]

How far would you draw the line? If personal details from tax records of thousands of Americans were being leaked into a discord server and the media discovered the identity of the leaker would you call the leaker a whistblower and demand their identity be withheld from the federal government?

the leaker would still be "a source". What makes a source into a "whistle-blower" that the media must protect in your opinion Berz?

Whistleblowing is defined under law as “disclosing information that you reasonably believe is evidence of a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.”

If people in government were leaking tax records and someone exposed them, they'd be the whistle blower. Clearly this information exposes people lying to us about the war and more.

[Berzerker]

The Democrat heading up their side in the hearing with Matt Tiabbi has apparently threatened him with 5 years for perjury. Mehdi Hasan of MSNBC interviewed Taibbi to point out his mistakes in the Twitterfiles and Matt confused CIS with CISA once. CISA is government and CIS is a research group monitoring the internet, but CIS was being paid by the government, so I'm not sure why it matters.

Anyway, Hasan said Taibbi perjured himself so she jumped on that. But Taibbi made the mistake in the Twitterfiles, not before Congress. Mehdi Hasan swallowed a camel and gagged on a gnat, Taibbi got a letter wrong and Hasan's mistake led a house member to threaten a journalist with prison. Oh yeah, an IRS agent showed up at Taibbi's door. A Thugocracy.

[Geronimo]

Whistleblowing is defined under law as “disclosing information that you reasonably believe is evidence of a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.”

If people in government were leaking tax records and someone exposed them, they'd be the whistle blower. Clearly this information exposes people lying to us about the war and more.

Exactly! This guy gave zero indication that he believed any of what he leaked was incriminating evidence of anything. I don't understand why you condemn the media for tipping the feds.

[Dauphin]

Did you? Thats your link and I dont see anything in there about helping the FBI arrest leakers. The standards I'm talking about have protected whistle blowers for decades going back to Ellsburg and Vietnam.

I am familiar with the UK code having been a financial crime investigator for many years and having dealt with whistleblowers, and the US code was readily available on the SJP website. So yes. I have.

[Dauphin]

To reiterate a few points. I am not a journalist or lawyer but my understanding is:

- The whistleblowing and leak framework is set out by legal frameworks, which are myriad.
- Journalistic standards set out a code of ethics in handling sources. The default is to disclose your sources, and if you provide anonymity you must have a good reason. These reasons are often tested by legal cases.
- Journalistic standards on sources that are not yours defer to the concept of harm to the individual against finding truth and acting with integrity. If a journalist is not getting information directly from a person they are not promising anonymity to anyone and not bound by promises not made by them (or their organisation)

Asking for a part of ethics that say rat out a whistleblower to the FBI is silly, as it will never be explicit in a framework. Just like it will not state whether you should or should not run a story. It is up to the journalist and editor to decide what is appropriate and in accordance with standards. This can obviously include politically motivated actions - which is fine if within the bounds of the code of ethics.

Each case is different and there is no requirement for consistent action on what you choose to do, or what others in the same position but different views/opinions/politics chooses to do. The consistency is with abiding by the code of ethics and the law.

if you are a whistleblower with genuine intent to identify injustice the code or ethics will afford the person more right to protection (under harm principle) than a person trying to win a debate with a bunch of other gamers.

[Berzerker]

Exactly! This guy gave zero indication that he believed any of what he leaked was incriminating evidence of anything. I don't understand why you condemn the media for tipping the feds.

The leak is the indicator and the journalistic standard is to protect the identities of leakers, not turn them over to the Feds. Are you saying those documents would not lead a reasonable person to think they were evidence against the government? Did this guy walk thru a room of documents and just choose a few at random regardless of what they show? The journalist reports on the documents, not call the FBI on the leaker. Thats what happens in authoritarian regimes and the NYT and Wapo just told leakers beware. That means only the leakers in our tribe will be protected. Thats no longer a standard, just partisan BS.

[Berzerker]

I am familiar with the UK code having been a financial crime investigator for many years and having dealt with whistleblowers, and the US code was readily available on the SJP website. So yes. I have.

where does your link tell journalists to out whistle blowers?