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Recount after recount... the FACTS speak for themselves. Trump lost. Case Closed 
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Keep on Civin'
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At this point it would be moot anyway. The legislatures choose the electors in any manner they see fit. They say it is based on the popular vote, but in the end they and the Governor(who certifies the election) are the ones who pick the electors. No matter if there was fraud or not (and EXTREMELY hard to say there was since this election has been scrutinized down to its bones and NONE found), the Electors were legally selected and they legally voted and Biden won.
Were their some questionable tactics used by both sides in the election? Of course...welcome to modern U.S. Politics. That doesn't change the fact that Biden was legally elected and is the President.
Time for everyone to move on and support your choice for the next election because the last one is OVER."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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"Were their some questionable tactics used by both sides in the election?" - Seriously? Any reasonable person will tell you the Republicans have and continue to behave much much much more worse than Democrats in this regard. -
Censorship is not legal and just moving on ensures it will continue and expand, but I wouldn't bet my life on 81m voting for Joe Biden the same election Trump got 11m more votes. How does the most hated Orangeman get so many more votes if he was that hated? The election was rigged, the more obvious rigging has already been exposed but I wont be surprised to see the voting was rigged too. These people censored Covid information to coerce people into vaccinations soon after the election.
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'In 2017, the billionaire founder of LinkedIn, Reid Hoffman, donated $750,000 to American Engagement Technologies (AET), an election campaigns consultancy founded by a former Obama administration official. Of that money, $100,000 went to another political consulting firm, “New Knowledge,” to run a social media disinformation operation to help Alabama Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Doug Jones defeat Republican Roy Moore in a December special election.
New Knowledge ran something called “Project Birmingham,” which created fake Russian Twitter social media accounts that followed Moore, resulting in news stories that the Kremlin was backing Moore in the race. A 12-page New Knowledge memo dated Dec. 15, 2017 described the operation. “We orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet,” the report says.
DiResta was intimately involved with both of the key organizations overseeing the Birmingham disinformation effort.'
https://public.substack.com/p/why-re...the-censorship
I know he was using flimsy guilt by association arguments but was Joe McCarthy framing people too? These people did and they want our support to protect us from mis-information. Thats been the playbook ever since 2016-17, smear opponents as traitors. I guess I shouldn't complain given the fact the GOP smears people as traitors too, Saxby Chambliss and Rick Wilson morphed Sen Max Cleland into Osama bin Laden for opposing some of the Patriot Act measures. For those who dont know, Cleland lost limbs in Vietnam. I will complain.Comment
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Again Berz, please provide some actual proof how the election was a fraud. Recount after Recount, many done by Republicans show there was NONE. FACT. Nothing was stolen... TRUMP simply lost because more people hated him than liked him.
Until you can provide any proof, your claims of fraud are just that, a fraud on your partKeep on Civin'
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I did provide the proof, you ignored it and asked about voter fraud instead.Comment
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Berz, your argument is based on overall vote totals and some vague suggestion that it's mathematically impossible for Trump to have gained X-million voters vs 2016 and and still lost.
Inconvenient truth: Your argument totally ignores the universally-predicted massive increase in voting totals due to ease of voting and extremely high motivation to do so during the pandemic. Similarly, Biden was predicted to win, consistently, in polling, betting markets, and 538 predictive models from June through the election in 2020. Biden's odds of winning the election were around 60% on June 1st, and 89% by November 1st. Yet you seem to expect us to just ignore the reality we all experienced.
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So I'm lying and I'm insulting you. Or all of you. I have an open mind about the vote totals, I said its possible Trump drove the turnout for Biden but it raises the question why Trump got over 11 million more votes if he was so bad. I dont see proof the election was rigged that way, the proof is the Twitter Files.
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Proof the election was stolen by the security state interfering and censoring the news to protect Biden.
I posted a link to the Twitter Files, thats just the tip of the iceberg. The GOP took the House, I assume they're ramping up to investigate so we'll be seeing more in the coming months. I dont know why they'd bother now that the Restrict Act will likely pass. They're basically retroactively legalizing the censorship that helped Biden win.
Hmm... People busted for censorship immediately create the power to censor. George Carlin said if it's bipartisan we're really getting screwed (or something like that). Look at who was in charge of the Iraq War, Dick Cheney and Colon Powell lol. I shouldn't laugh, these people are why the 3rd world is looking for new allies to replace us. The Cold War was supposed to end proxy wars but it didn't for the USA, thats why Russia has support from the 3rd world. The world is defunding the World's police.
So China is using $$$ from US consumers to buy our 'friends' around the world largely because we're always bombing poor defenseless countries instead of investing in infrastructure to better lives. We must destroy to reap the profits of rebuilding. The conspiracy was hidden in The Undiscovered Country, this one is out in the open. Maybe the people living in areas of the world littered with shrapnel made in the USA have a different perspective. Comment
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Biden won because of independents, not partisans. The swing vote was competitive where it mattered. And you're really missing the point if thats your take on it, the security state buried the truth, lied and censored Americans to protect Biden. They stole the election. The proof is staring you in the face. If that was Donald Jrs laptop it would have been headline news for a month before the election.
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I do think there are ways to commit voters fraud that won't leave evidence. This was possible in 2016 as well however. If Trump supporters were worried about voter fraud but can't find the evidence then it's time to draw attention to the opportunities for fraud and to legislation to close those opportunities. Because at that point it's obviously too late to do anything about any hypothetical no-evidence fraud in the previous election.Originally posted by Ming View PostComment
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Now it's the Media's fault. But that isn't fraud
It's just the media... just like Fox News and other Conservative Media continue to tell lies, conceal the truth and provide propaganda just like all the other media.
The election wasn't stolen from Trump. He lost, pure and simple. More people voted for Biden. FACT
Biden easily won the electoral college. FACT
The truth is simple... Trump is a loser.Keep on Civin'
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The Twitter Files are not Fox News, they are recorded exchanges exposing how the security state conspired to steal the election.Originally posted by Ming View PostComment
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Interesting that you accept Taibbi as bible, even though that thread was published in December and has gotten no traction in the real world.
But I gotta say, if it was Twitter that got Trump elected, it would be only fair if it was Twitter that got him beat. But I continue to firmly believe that Trump's loss was very real, and it was the will of the American people.
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Can you write out what you think Twitter and the Security State (overseen by Trump appointees) did that?Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
JMJon Miller-
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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It’s good to know that Berz has 2 noids.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​Comment
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Let's see... First it was stolen votes... No evidence was EVER found on ANY of the charges made by Trump and his cult.
So I guess you have to find somebody else to blame... Why not just blame Trump. He's the one that lost.Keep on Civin'
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I dont know about stolen votes, no significant fraud has been found. But I cant ignore evidence the security state censored people and spied on their political opponents based on lies designed to smear people as traitors. What especially bothers me is I was fooled, I thought Trump was a traitor. They had me convinced, but I was a loyal follower of MSNBC until real journalists tore down Russiagate.
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The Twitter files are a ****ing joke, did you not see the committee hearings which featured them? Complete and utter bull****. I swear to God the “Twitter Files” are as lame and as boring as watching certain people flame the mods, and about as relevant. It’s the “Release the Memo!” of content moderation, and not nearly as thorough.
Trump is an evil man. Too bad Berzerker cannot see that. But then, some people have circles of Hell over their head and mistake them for a Halo.
Lastly, ain't a goddamned soul going to vote for this guy because he's a criminal. Evil, yes: like follows like. But elections are won at the margins and there is no "I need a felon in the White House" demographic, sorry Berz.Last edited by JohnT; April 5, 2023, 18:35.Comment
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Welcome back... The Twitter Files are conversations between the FBI and social media about censoring Americans, it has nothing to do with Trump. I see no rebuttal in your response and I had a different take on the hearings. As for my opinion of Trump, I didn't vote for him and he's disgusting on a personal level, but he was ending our wars, not starting more. In discussions about evil that matters more than my dislike of the man.
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LOL, imagine somebody arguing that a out-of-his-depth President whose malignant response to the COVID crisis caused 240,000 deaths and 16,000,000 lost jobs in the 9 months prior to the election actually needed the election stolen from them! Tis to laugh!
How easy was it to predict Agent Orange would launch a coup? I predicted it no later than 6 days after the 2020 election:
And, what the hell, apropos of nothing, I present to the board The Book of COVID:
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