IF trump is arrested AND convicted

[Jon Miller]

Uh.. federal election officials/prosecutors did not decline to prosecute because Stormy denied the affair. They didn't declare why they declined, but when they declined while prosecuting Cohen, Trump was president and they do say that they won't prosecute presidents. Stormy didn't deny the affair, she has continued to claim that the affair happened. Cohen was charged and went to jail, and has gotten out.

In case you don't know:

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-crime-new-york-manhattan-campaigns-3a0413202e80ab99c9f6377f97d07c04

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64920037

JM

[Berzerker]

She said her denials were due to a non-disclosure agreement and that she signed the statement because parties involved “made it sound like I had no choice.”

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-stormy-daniels-2018-statement-denial-trump-affair-066388509688

[giblets]

[Uncle Sparky]

The funniest thing about this is that Trump, infamous for grifting and stiffing people, is being charged with actually paying someone.

[-Jrabbit]

I'm actually more interested in the pending Georgia indictments. That promises to have some hot GOP-on-GOP action.

[Berzerker]

I heard they got 30 counts on him, I dont think this is limited to Stormy and Karen. If they dont this will backfire on them with independents

[Donegeal]

At this point, I don't think there are many independents left. trump is so polarizing everyone has already made up their mind about him. It why I think the GOP is doomed in 2024 if they nominate him again.

[Berzerker]

I'm actually more interested in the pending Georgia indictments. That promises to have some hot GOP-on-GOP action.

Trump called the guy in charge and tried to convince him there was election fraud and his votes were being hidden and suppressed and he told him to find the missing ballots. Thats exculpatory, he didn't tell the guy to fabricate votes. They need more than that to get him, but it would be ironic if he lost because of election fraud and was convicted for that phone call. Trump was impeached for a phone call, he wanted Ukraine to investigate the Biden-Burisma-Shokin connection.

Biden family takes bribes from Ukraine, Trump wants Ukraine to investigate and Trump gets impeached. Democrats smear Trump as a traitor over Russiagate hoax and Democrats want Ukraine (and the US security state) to investigate Trump based on their red-baiting lies so the FBI spent a year spying on Trump.

The election was fraudulent, Trump was up against the security state that depends on war for their jobs. It's like letting prison guards decide how many people need to be in jail. Biden's family corruption was exposed before the election and that security state did what it could to kill the story and defend Biden while the FBI already had possession of the evidence. The FBI took the blame in 2016 for Comey admitting they had re-opened the investigation into Hillary's emails after Anthony Weiner exposed himself.

So this time the FBI not only hid evidence, they told social media to censor it because Marcia Marcia Marcia. And of course we saw all these experts on waging wars chime in to tell us it looked like Marcia Marcia Marcia so Biden and the media could claim it was Russian disinformation. Thats what the FBI was telling social media to justify censoring the story, not that the media had any reason to object. The news is owned and run by billionaires and their friends. I wonder if N Koreans know their govt lies to them constantly.

The establishment hates Trump, they wouldn't have gotten their Ukrainian war profits with him in office. Thats why the establishment loved BLM riots, even the VP nominee was raising $$$ to bail them out. I wouldn't put it past these people to rig the votes, Biden got 15 million more votes than Obama? Thats either some serious Trump hate, which is possible but he got over 11 million more votes in 2020, or the powers that be made sure Biden won.

[-Jrabbit]

WTF are you on about, Berz? We all heard the phone call to Raffensberger. Trump literally named the precise number of votes he needed "found"; it needs no explanation.

[Berzerker]

Yes, he was talking about votes he was convinced were suppressed. The phone call was about his missing votes and finding them, not a word about fabricating votes. If the call was about that Trump wouldn't have bothered making his case for investigating the election.

[-Jrabbit]

Quick question: When the witch commits crimes, isn't a witch hunt perfectly appropriate?

[Ming]

After years, NOBODY has come up with ANY REAL PROOF OF VOTER FRAUD. And that's a FACT.
Trump lost fair and square, and all this "I was cheated" crap is simply his ploy to milk his idiot followers out of more money... FACT

[Jon Miller]

At this point, I don't think there are many independents left. trump is so polarizing everyone has already made up their mind about him. It why I think the GOP is doomed in 2024 if they nominate him again.

I have actually thought that the GOP might have a chance with someone who isn't Trump and is able to run a good campaign. People will be tired of Trump, people will be tired of Biden (although he has done a good job, relatively). As long as the GOP candidate isn't Trump and runs a good campaign I think they have a good chance. Running a good campaign includes not having Trump come out against him (almost certainly).

I have heard people say that Trump has a good chance. But I think that people can remember him, and most people are really sick of him. The sweat spot is to be someone new and different (And younger than Biden) that independents and conservative democrats can tell themselves won't be that bad.

JM
(Note that I would take Biden over any Republican, even a good Republican. I am just getting my head into the other headspace.)

[Berzerker]

Quick question: When the witch commits crimes, isn't a witch hunt perfectly appropriate?

What crimes? Mueller cleared Trump and his campaign of 'collusion' or conspiracy. Horowitz proved the Democrats accused Trump of being a traitor based on the Steele Dossier and it was BS, the FBI offered him a million $$$ if he could verify anything, nada. Hillary smeared all her opponents as traitors, Bernie, Jill Stein, and Trump - all red baited by someone with even more ties to Russia. Thats the playbook, accuse others of your sins.

Otoh we know Hunter was hired by Burisma after the Big Guy was handed control over Ukraine. Maybe Obama was embarrassed by his "moderate rebels" destroying Syria and wanted to avoid Ukraine's Nazi problem so he handed off to Joe and Dick Cheney's partner in crime Victoria Nuland - yeah, the top bureaucrat running this war gave us Iraq's WMD.

And we know Joe met with Burisma spring of 2015 months before his employees and allies started criticizing the prosecutor Shokin. If a prosecutor is being mean to the people paying you millions what do you do? Shout corruption and use a billion dollar bribe to Ukraine to fire him. Thats the playbook, corrupt people accusing Johnny Law of corruption. I saw Shokin interviewed and he testified in court the president told him he was fired for investigating Burisma.

[-Jrabbit]

Lol, talk about easily triggered!

Dude, I have no desire to re-review your personal conspiracy theory mashups. That's Geronimo's job.

[Ming]

STILL WAITING FOR ANY PROOF that the election was stolen. All the maga crowd and Trump keep saying it, but they haven't proved crap.
It's all just a bunch of lies to feed the cult and line Trump's pockets

[Berzerker]

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

[Ming]

Still waiting for proof of voter fraud... Oh that's right, there wasn't any.
Anybody still pushing the fraud and stolen election crap needs to actually PROVE it or just shut up.

[Broken_Erika]

Still waiting for proof of voter fraud... Oh that's right, there wasn't any.
Anybody still pushing the fraud and stolen election crap needs to actually PROVE it or just shut up.

Oh, there were documented cases of attempted voter fraud. They were all committed by Republicans.