CIA-backed coup attempt in Georgia

[Geronimo]

Are you saying Russia would have the moral high ground if they massacred a bunch of protesters to coup the Mexican government and sent an army of right wing nationalists to attack Northern Mexicans for rejecting the coup? Thats what created the separatists, not little green men. The people of the Donbas overwhelmingly voted for more autonomy. Do they matter? We sent an army of Nazis to kill them.

Yes. Especially if the CIA was arming and leading the northern Separatists and eventually transitioned to an invasion of all of Mexico complete with annexation of four Mexican states to the US. I can't begin to imagine you'd support the US side in that conflict purely because there was a massacre of a "heavenly hundred" by foreign funded Nazi snipers.

I would not regard the votes to be any of the United States business and regard the separatist votes as freshly totally irrelevant in any case following each internationally monitored nation wide election post-coup.

How would you not see a US land grab in the wake of such shenanigans as anything other than unacceptable?

[Berzerker]

Arming Nazis on a murderous rampage is the moral high ground to defending their victims? Russia doesn't want all of Ukraine, it would have prepared a much larger force. The people of the Donbas were not voting in those "monitored" elections run by the same right wing behind the coup. The people who elected the man driven from office obviously dont agree with your opinion about 'democracy'.

But when they did vote they overwhelmingly supported more autonomy. As for land grabs, the people in the region are already culturally and ethnically Russian and Putin recognized their independence. I expect him to honor their wishes, if he sends an army to attack them he will replace us at the bottom of the cesspool.

[Serb]

If Ukraine joined Russia "freewillingly" in 16whatever, as Serb sez, they surely can leave at their own will again.

They did so in 1991, dummy!
Though with a violation of the active back then Constitution.
Since its creation in 1922, USSR was a Union of free to get in and free to get out Republics! And that was written in the constitution of the USSR!
That was the point of it and the reason why Bolsheviks have managed to unite the fallen Empire once again.

Also funny complaining Russian language is banned (needs fact check tho) after declaring Ukrainian is only a Russian dialect anyway.

Like Ukranian is banned in Russia, dummy!

In Ukraine the Russian language have been persecuted long before the 2014 - they have officially banned all movies on Russian (I remember that, because in 2009 I was in back then Ukranian Crimea, when that law passed). Later they have banned all Russian schools (as well, as Hungarian and Romanian).
NOW THEY HAVE BANNED THE ORTHODOX FAITH, DESTROYED THOUSANDS OF MONUMENT DEDICATED TO ANY RUSSIANS, BE IT CHEKHOV, PUSHKIN OR ANY OTHER RUSSIAN CLASSIC WRITTER OR COMPOSER and have BURNED 12 million of books from their libraries, only because they are written on Russian.
Doesn't it remind you something?


The first thing what we have done in Crimea in 2014 is to confirmed in legislation that national languages of Crimef are: Russian, Ukranian and Tartar, because they are the three largest ethnic groups there (though Russians represent 84% of the total population in Crimea).

That is the difference, du alter esel!

That is the difference!!!

[Serb]

Indeed, the Donbas didn't support our coup and left Ukraine so we sent a Nazi army to attack them. Imagine if Russia couped Mexico and sent 'nationalists' to attack people along the border. Dont you think SW Americans would demand the US help them? They'd be forming their own militias to defend their kin south of the border. As for these protests in Georgia, I wonder how many were employed or hired by the foreign actors targeted by the bill. Reminds me of a cartoon I saw recently, the manager announces all unessential workers could leave work early and then watched with binoculars as people left.

It's good to see that sane people in USA are still exist.

[Serb]

And Berz, please, trust me, we were not the ones, who wanted to become an enemy!
I remember the euphoria in late 80's and early 90's about Russian-American friendship here, about happy we were that the Cold war is over.
But it turned out to be a delusion of a fooled fool!
Thanks God, that it will never happen again, because you have fooled us once - you will never fool us again!
And our words are backed with a hypersonic missiles with a thermonuclear warheads!
Period.

[Serb]

You don't need friends, you need only vassals and slaves.

[Serb]

Doesn't work with Russia!

[Serb]

I definitely think that you and I would be appalled at the US intervening in Mexico in that scenario, especially arming separatists and sending CIA agents to lead them. Why do you accept Russia behaving that way in Ukraine?

War is peace, black is white. (c.)

It's USA who had intervened in Ukraine, initiated a coup and overthrew the legal government, not Russia in Mexico!!!
The current government of Ukraine is just a talking head of the US embassy there.
It's you who had taken a full control of this country and leaded it to disaster, to a bloodbath for 8 years, not us!
If Russia did something alike to Mexico, USA would have responded in 1,2,3, AFTER A FEW DAYS, without waiting for 8 years while the ethnic Americans there have been slaughtered by the puppet goverment.

[Serb]

Yes. Especially if the CIA was arming and leading the northern Separatists and eventually transitioned to an invasion of all of Mexico complete with annexation of four Mexican states to the US. I can't begin to imagine you'd support the US side in that conflict purely because there was a massacre of a "heavenly hundred" by foreign funded Nazi snipers.

I would not regard the votes to be any of the United States business and regard the separatist votes as freshly totally irrelevant in any case following each internationally monitored nation wide election post-coup.

How would you not see a US land grab in the wake of such shenanigans as anything other than unacceptable?

Look! There is a cause and an effect!

The reason is YOUR COUP of Ukrainian government, the effect is the revolt of the part of Ukraine, which didn't support it!
They have revolted against the INJUSTICE YOU HAVE DONE.
If, we have supported the revolted for the just cause - sue us!

[Serb]

It's you who have armed and infested Ukraine with your CIA agents and instructors and just threw its military to suppress the revolt in 2014.

YOU!!!

You have FKN started this!!!

[Serb]

Enough is enough!!!

[Geronimo]

As for land grabs, the people in the region are already culturally and ethnically Russian and Putin recognized their independence. I expect him to honor their wishes, if he sends an army to attack them he will replace us at the bottom of the cesspool.

How would you know if he sent an army to attack them? He's already sent an army to round them up and press them into service as cannon fodder.

I'd say given the intensity of russian offensive operations throughout the Donbas it is clear he's already sent an army to attack them. Certainly far more of them have died in the last year than the previous 8. If you blame the Ukrainians why would they wait so long if they had the means to step up the intensity of their attacks on civilians? Your assertion has been that ukraine was only interested in attacking russian speaking civilians in Donbas all this time right? So if they had the means lying around to do it so much faster why would they have waited?

[Geronimo]

It's good to see that sane people in USA are still exist.

Serb, 'm surprised you took this long to recognize Berz. When you get fed up and leave us for a while Berz would keep fighting the battle.

[Berzerker]

How would you know if he sent an army to attack them? He's already sent an army to round them up and press them into service as cannon fodder.

I'd say given the intensity of russian offensive operations throughout the Donbas it is clear he's already sent an army to attack them. Certainly far more of them have died in the last year than the previous 8. If you blame the Ukrainians why would they wait so long if they had the means to step up the intensity of their attacks on civilians? Your assertion has been that ukraine was only interested in attacking russian speaking civilians in Donbas all this time right? So if they had the means lying around to do it so much faster why would they have waited?

Somebody would report his army's attack on them. I dont know how Russia raises armies but the separatists didn't wait to defend themselves. You keep acting like they had no role in this, you have the cart before the horse. The army he sent is attacking the Ukrainian army that was shelling the Donbas for 8 years. So now you're arguing the people of the Donbas were attacked by both Kiev and Moscow? Can we ask them about that?

I didn't say that was their only interest, they're attacking anyone who doesn't bend the knee. The Donbas is mostly ethnic Russian and Azov and the Ukrainian right wing are not inclusive people, they hate Russians and traitors, ie people who disagree with them. Millions fled the Donbas before more could be killed by the Nazis, most of the fatalities were in 2014-15. Serb already explained how they culturally cleanse Russia from Ukraine.

[Geronimo]

Somebody would report his army's attack on them. I dont know how Russia raises armies but the separatists didn't wait to defend themselves. You keep acting like they had no role in this, you have the cart before the horse. The army he sent is attacking the Ukrainian army that was shelling the Donbas for 8 years. So now you're arguing the people of the Donbas were attacked by both Kiev and Moscow? Can we ask them about that?

I didn't say that was their only interest, they're attacking anyone who doesn't bend the knee. The Donbas is mostly ethnic Russian and Azov and the Ukrainian right wing are not inclusive people, they hate Russians and traitors, ie people who disagree with them. Millions fled the Donbas before more could be killed by the Nazis, most of the fatalities were in 2014-15. Serb already explained how they culturally cleanse Russia from Ukraine.

Wow! So do you recognize that much more civilian damage has been documented in the last year in the Donbas than in the previous 8 years, let alone the years of 2014 to 2015?

If Azov and the Ukrainian right were inflicting the damage before, why was so much more inflicted later on this most recent year? Were the Nazis pulling their punches because they thought the Donbas was largely bending the knee?