CIA-backed coup attempt in Georgia

[Geronimo]

The classic definition of Fascism is:

"Fascism - is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital".

And that definition is just PERFECT!!!

And it suits YOU (US of A) and your puppets like Ukraine just well!



That is because you are a fascist, livin in a fascist state, where the truth is forbiden and where black is white and white is black!

Serb, how does the definition of fascism that you favor above not match Russia perfectly?

Russia has taken all of the fascist accusations leveled against the US and duplicated those same crimes in Ukraine and then further decided to add territorial conquest to the bag. You can't see that?

[Serb]

Serb, how does the definition of fascism that you favor above not match Russia perfectly?

Russia has taken all of the fascist accusations leveled against the US and duplicated those same crimes in Ukraine and then further decided to add territorial conquest to the bag. You can't see that?

Unfortunately, I can't argue with that!
You are right!

But, we have a saying: "с волками жить - по-волчьи выть!", which means - "if you are living among the wolves, you start to howl (to behave) like a wolf"!
The "enlightened" fascism was a natural response for my country against your brutal, irrational fascism and Nazism (US is exceptional - oh, yeah!!!) towards us!

I don't like it at all!

I am a communist and want everyone to live in peace, but what choice do we have right now when the Whole World is against us?

If I was in charge, I would have switched to Communism the next very moment from my swear on the constitution.
Putin despite being a great historical figure - is just LOVE YOU (the West) so much!
And you don't appreciate that for a second!

The one, who will come after him will just FK YOU!

[Serb]

Bury you, without any hesitation!

[Serb]

We have never wanted this war!

You've brought it upon us!

Why you, ****ers, just can't live in peace with us and had to be ****ed once in a century?!!!

WHY?

What is the point of your Western constant desire to get a revanche?

When you will fkn LEARN?!!! and stop jumping on the same rakes?

[Serb]

We don't want ANY of your lands!
So, why are you humilating and killing Russians that we left there due to the fall of USSR?

Why are you so F*CKING HOSTILE?!!!

We had withdrawn all of our forces from Europe, unlike USA wich is still occyping and fking you!

What is the reason of your irrational hatred?

[Serb]

You have to answer this question to yourself, because otherwise you will die in doubtness, when we will come for you after your attitude towards us.

[N35t0r]

doesn't fascism require the union of big government and corporations?

No, it can also happen if corporations can be made subservient to the government, or if those corporations aren't that powerful to begin with.

[N35t0r]

Long-ass incoherent rambling

What is that map supposed to be? I'd rather go by this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_ES-11/1

[Berzerker]

No, it can also happen if corporations can be made subservient to the government, or if those corporations aren't that powerful to begin with.

Our corporations are powerful with a revolving door between high level bureaucrats and corporate boards keeping control in the right hands. Now the chicken/egg question would lay blame on the politicians for taking bribes or worse demanding 'donations', but fascism is more than just corporate cronyism, its militaristic, aggressive, and domineering. Censorship and surveillance and smearing critics as traitors along with constant appeals to "patriotism" when blind loyalty is required are obvious traits. It's human nature, people often feel a sense of 'betrayal' when their fellow voter, friend or ally disagrees. Thats the inner fascist in us reacting, everybody is king when it comes to dissenters.

[N35t0r]

Our corporations are powerful with a revolving door between high level bureaucrats and corporate boards keeping control in the right hands. Now the chicken/egg question would lay blame on the politicians for taking bribes or worse demanding 'donations', but fascism is more than just corporate cronyism, its militaristic, aggressive, and domineering. Censorship and surveillance and smearing critics as traitors along with constant appeals to "patriotism" when blind loyalty is required are obvious traits. It's human nature, people often feel a sense of 'betrayal' when their fellow voter, friend or ally disagrees. Thats the inner fascist in us reacting, everybody is king when it comes to dissenters.

That's a very nice rant, but you mentioned that fascism requires that government and corporations collude, which isn't necessarily true.

Also, it's not a chicken/egg problem. Fault lies squarely on government.

[Geronimo]

Unfortunately, I can't argue with that!
You are right!

But, we have a saying: "с волками жить - по-волчьи выть!", which means - "if you are living among the wolves, you start to howl (to behave) like a wolf"!
The "enlightened" fascism was a natural response for my country against your brutal, irrational fascism and Nazism (US is exceptional - oh, yeah!!!) towards us!

I don't like it at all!

I am a communist and want everyone to live in peace, but what choice do we have right now when the Whole World is against us?

If I was in charge, I would have switched to Communism the next very moment from my swear on the constitution.
Putin despite being a great historical figure - is just LOVE YOU (the West) so much!
And you don't appreciate that for a second!

The one, who will come after him will just FK YOU!

Okay there's not much I can say to YOU, Serb about any of that.


However, to everyone who dismissed my posts lamenting the several Western violations of international law, especially in Serbia, and Iraq starting 2003 please consider what you see here. Serb is as loyal a Russian that can be found and he has access to tons of foreign media. Even though he can concede that Russia is matching a classic definition of fascism, and even surpassing the US in that regard through adding territorial conquest he can't believe that the US and its NATO allies could be trusted to avoid acting like fascists themselves. Western violations of international law devastated the West's reputation as a treaty and law bound collective.

Only Russians can really stop Putin or a Russian successor acting like fascists and so long as Russians see so many "fascist" behaviors by their neighbors they will never stick their neck out for that. Every country starts off wanting to play by the rules but once several cheats are seen with no consequences, well it's almost impossible to regain public support for respecting international law.

This is also surely why the sanctions are so weak. Why should anybody outside the Western block want to uphold the inconsistent rules if they clearly won't apply to everyone anyway?

[Berzerker]

That's a very nice rant, but you mentioned that fascism requires that government and corporations collude, which isn't necessarily true.

Also, it's not a chicken/egg problem. Fault lies squarely on government.

I asked if it was required and I blamed the politicians

[Serb]

Okay there's not much I can say to YOU, Serb about any of that.


However, to everyone who dismissed my posts lamenting the several Western violations of international law, especially in Serbia, and Iraq starting 2003 please consider what you see here. Serb is as loyal a Russian that can be found and he has access to tons of foreign media. Even though he can concede that Russia is matching a classic definition of fascism, and even surpassing the US in that regard through adding territorial conquest he can't believe that the US and its NATO allies could be trusted to avoid acting like fascists themselves. Western violations of international law devastated the West's reputation as a treaty and law bound collective.

Only Russians can really stop Putin or a Russian successor acting like fascists and so long as Russians see so many "fascist" behaviors by their neighbors they will never stick their neck out for that. Every country starts off wanting to play by the rules but once several cheats are seen with no consequences, well it's almost impossible to regain public support for respecting international law.

This is also surely why the sanctions are so weak. Why should anybody outside the Western block want to uphold the inconsistent rules if they clearly won't apply to everyone anyway?

Actually, I was too drunk to agree with you back then!
Our financial capital do not at any extend terrorizes us about about anything! (at least yet).
I'm living in a free country!

Though IT IS a CAPITALIST country - that is true! And I am very sad about that fact, but "an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital" - it is something different!
It is something like "Patriotic act" and LGBT agenda or confiscation of money and property, because of the owner's nationality.

It is about the liberal fascism you have in the West.

Every country starts off wanting to play by the rules but once several cheats are seen with no consequences, well it's almost impossible to regain public support for respecting international law.

But, this is something I can't argue with! That is a pretty obvious thing. If you RAPE the international law, how could you complain later that others have followed your steps?

[JohnT]

Russia has been failing and flailing to the West for, what, 400 years now? Only achieving a psychological parity with their theft of nuclear secrets, a parity which never existed in real life and one which dissipated with a flash in 1991. It's a country where alcoholism is a culture, not a disease, and as long as the country can't stay NOT drunk, Russia will never be anything but a 2nd-World power with 1st-World ambitions and a 3rd-World citizenry.

[Dinner]

Wow, JohnT sighting. This is like finding Bigfoot.