Hey Serb

[My Wife Hates CIV returns]

the US and russia/soviets (same people) did fight and destroyed hitler. i did serve with some sailors on russian ships. we all drink the same.

[Serb]

That's true.
WW3 sucks.

[Serb]

Was just looking at the OP and noticed it said 60,000 Russian dead in early October. Now over 100,000 dead. Looks like they are winning! (The destroy your own Army contest, that is)

[Serb]

Plato, Russia has entered this war with a military doctrine of the expedition corp, which played very well in Syria. The doctrine of well armed small force of professionals. On the other hand, the Ukranian puppet of yours had mobilized all their can from Hitlerjugend to elders, they had 8 "waves" of mobilisation and finally they had outnumbered us 8 to 1, no matter how much of that cannon fodder we kill and they still outnumber us 6 maybe 5 to 1 after we have made a limited mobilization of 300K, but their losses are still 10 to 1 compared to ours, because we have ABSOLUTE domination in firepower, be it cruise missiles, airforce or artillery.
We just slaughter your puppet and they are losing 10 to 1 and have lost their entire economy and can't stand without external help.

It is true that we weren't ready for that kind of Nazi resistance, in 2014-2015 they were running with tail between their legs from the Donbas miners, now you have trained and supplied your Nazi pupped well, unlike all your previous puppets and our concept of the expedition corp army needs correction for sure (which we did and still doing), but at the end of the day we will beat your West like we always do. Ukrainians are just a cannon fodder for you, you use them to fight Russia, because you are cowards, always, but you will lose at the end of the day for sure.
Trust me.
Because you are playing on our field again, the military field.

AND WE ARE THE GODS OF WAR, DUMMY!!!

[Serb]

And it doesn't matter what your propaganda machine is spreading, the only thing what is matter is the situation on the frontlines - whome controlls what kind of territory, whose economical potential and infrastructure is destroyed, the aid of allies, the kill ratio, and so on.
And when we will win and your puppet will sign a capitulation, I will put your stupid faces to your nowadays speeches about how your puppet is wininning and you are slaughtering Russians.

That will happen after the outcome, trust me.
And when we will finally win, all the lies of your today's propaganda will no matter.

[Serb]

And before you will start laughing about our military doctrine of expedition force, I should remind you that you have the same. Our army wasn't ready for a large conventional war in Europe, neither does yours, because you have the same small force of professionals instead of a large conventional force. That is fact. But you and your Euro NATO puppets military industrial complex was not ready for that kind of large conventional war even more than us.
During ten months we have used several times more cruise missiles and othe precision munitions, than you and your NATO jakals have used during the last 30 years of your wars of agressions around the World.

And before you start to laugh about the efficiency, I should remind you that you have lost all your wars of agressions and that Ukraine is a dense populated, heavily industrilized, the largest country in Europe after Russia, not the deserts of Iraq, Libya or Syria. And we are not leveling cities to the ground like you did with Fallujah, because there are our relatives inside, while for you your victims weren't humans at all.

[Serb]

As for the ones who wanted peace when tens of thousand of Ukranian troops were encircled in pokets and were on the brink of destruction in 2015:

The back then president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko

Petro Poroshenko said the Minsk agreements “meant nothing” and claimed credit for giving Kiev enough time to militarize

Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended to buy time for Kiev to rebuild its military.

He made the comments in interviews with several news outlets this week, including Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and the Ukrainian branch of the US state-run Radio Free Europe. Poroshenko also defended his record as president between 2014 and 2019.

“We had achieved everything we wanted,” he said of the peace deal. “Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended to buy time for Kiev to rebuild its military.

https://www.rt.com/russia/557307-por...nsk-agreement/

The back then chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel:

"It has never really genuinely regarded Russia as a dialogue partner. In an interview with the German newspaper Die Zeit last week, former German chancellor Angela Merkel revealed the West's real intention behind its negotiation with Russia and Ukraine to promote a ceasefire in 2014. She admitted the Minsk agreements were an "attempt to give Ukraine time" and that Kiev had used it "to become stronger."

The back then president of France:

"PARIS, December 30. /TASS/. France’s former president, Francois Hollande, who participated in attempts to settle the conflict in Donbass and in shaping the Minsk agreements in 2015 has confirmed the then German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s statement to the effect the agreements were needed for the sole purpose of letting Kiev gain time and build up military muscle for another conflict."

So, Ukraine and its Western sponsors were lying, when they were signing the cease fire treaty and never had intentions to fulfill the Minsk agreement they have signed.

You never wanted peace on the basis of Federalisation of Ukraine, you (the West) have ALWAYS wanted WAR!!!

While agreement offered by Russia ans signed by Ukraine and her Western patrons was so simple and so acceptable:

1. Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00:00 midnight EET on 15 February 2015.
2. Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres (31 mi) apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70 kilometres (43 mi) for multiple rocket launchers (MRLS) and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems:
   • for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;
   • for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014The pullout of the above-mentioned heavy weapons must start no later than the second day after the start of the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.
3. Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.
4. On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts," and also about the future of these districts based on the above-mentioned law.Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts," based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014.
5. Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine.
6. Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of "all for all". This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).
7. Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.
8. Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field).With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions.
9. Restore control of the state border to the Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.
10. Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.
11. Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with a new constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on the special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the attached footnote,^{[note 1]} by the end of 2015.
12. Based on the Law of Ukraine "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts", questions related to local elections will be discussed and agreed upon with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. Elections will be held in accordance with relevant OSCE standards and monitored by OSCE/ODIHR.
13. Intensify the work of the Trilateral Contact Group including through the establishment of working groups on the implementation of relevant aspects of the Minsk agreements. They will reflect the composition of the Trilateral Contact Group.

[Proteus_MST]

As for the ones who wanted peace when tens of thousand of Ukranian troops were encircled in pokets and were on the brink of destruction in 2015:

The back then president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko



The back then chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel:

"It has never really genuinely regarded Russia as a dialogue partner. In an interview with the German newspaper Die Zeit last week, former German chancellor Angela Merkel revealed the West's real intention behind its negotiation with Russia and Ukraine to promote a ceasefire in 2014. She admitted the Minsk agreements were an "attempt to give Ukraine time" and that Kiev had used it "to become stronger."

The back then president of France:

"PARIS, December 30. /TASS/. France’s former president, Francois Hollande, who participated in attempts to settle the conflict in Donbass and in shaping the Minsk agreements in 2015 has confirmed the then German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s statement to the effect the agreements were needed for the sole purpose of letting Kiev gain time and build up military muscle for another conflict."

So, Ukraine and its Western sponsors were lying, when they were signing the cease fire treaty and never had intentions to fulfill the Minsk agreement they have signed.

You never wanted peace on the basis of Federalisation of Ukraine, you (the West) have ALWAYS wanted WAR!!!

While agreement offered by Russia ans signed by Ukraine and her Western patrons was so simple and so acceptable:

1. Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00:00 midnight EET on 15 February 2015.
2. Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres (31 mi) apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70 kilometres (43 mi) for multiple rocket launchers (MRLS) and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems:
   • for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;
   • for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014The pullout of the above-mentioned heavy weapons must start no later than the second day after the start of the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.
3. Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.
4. On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts," and also about the future of these districts based on the above-mentioned law.Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts," based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014.
5. Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine.
6. Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of "all for all". This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).
7. Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.
8. Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field).With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions.
9. Restore control of the state border to the Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.
10. Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.
11. Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with a new constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on the special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the attached footnote,^{[note 1]} by the end of 2015.
12. Based on the Law of Ukraine "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts", questions related to local elections will be discussed and agreed upon with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. Elections will be held in accordance with relevant OSCE standards and monitored by OSCE/ODIHR.
13. Intensify the work of the Trilateral Contact Group including through the establishment of working groups on the implementation of relevant aspects of the Minsk agreements. They will reflect the composition of the Trilateral Contact Group.

And you know who usually violated the ceasefire?
Your russian puppets from the DPR and LPR, with their russian led forces
(that consisted to a, not small, degree of russian soldiers and were armed with weapons delivered by Russia)

Also contrary to 9. the DPR and LPR never allowed the Ukraine to take control of their state border to Russia

[Serb]

And you know who usually violated the ceasefire?
Your russian puppets from the DPR and LPR, with their russian led forces
(that consisted to a, not small, degree of russian soldiers and were armed with weapons delivered by Russia)

Also contrary to 9. the DPR and LPR never allowed the Ukraine to take control of their state border to Russia

You keep lying like I don't remember what had happened at February 2022.

Your Ukranian puppet shelled the Russian cities of Donbas for EIGHT YEARS. Your Nazi's puppets were INTENTIONALY and STILL intentionally hit the civilian blocks, hospitanls, kindergarderns, schools and other civilian infrastructure, they to it INTENTIONALY with artillery and unguided munitions from MRLS.


And I remember perfectly what had happened one week before the "Russian invasion" at February 17, when your puppet have started a MASSIVE shelling of Donetsk, killing dozens of civilians everyday.

That was a artillery barrage, a preparation for war. Your Ukranian puppets have planned to invide Dondbas at March, we didn't allow that.

Since that was started by Ukraine at February 17, I have started a thread here about the upcoming war. but that was fun for you and the local moder, so Uncle have re-named my thread where I have predicted what will happen next, so I have troubles to find it now.


You are lairs, always were and always will be!



Almost 50 civilians killed in DPR since February 17

A total of 237 civilians were injured in the reported period, including 15 children

DONETSK, March 16. /TASS/. Almost 50 civilians were killed in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) since the situation escalated on February 17, the republic’s mission to the Joint Center for Control and Coordination (JCCC) said on Wednesday.

"According to the information obtained by the DPR mission to the JCCC, from 17.02.2022 to 23:30 local time (same as Moscow time) of 15.03.2022, 49 civilians were killed during the 27 days of the escalation launched by the Ukrainian armed forces, including two deaths in the past 24 hours," the mission said in a statement.

A total of 237 civilians were injured in the reported period, including 15 children.

As many as 1,146 dwelling houses, 330 civil infrastructure facilities (including 19 medical establishments, 44 educational facilities, 53 social infrastructure and 19 critical infrastructure facilities), as well as 197 elements of electricity, water and gas supply systems, were damaged.

In all, 13,863 shells of various caliber, including 17 Tochka-U tactical missiles and 562 rockets from multiple launcher systems, have been fired by Ukrainian troops over 27 days.

[Serb]

And you know who usually violated the ceasefire?
Your russian puppets from the DPR and LPR, with their russian led forces
(that consisted to a, not small, degree of russian soldiers and were armed with weapons delivered by Russia)

Also contrary to 9. the DPR and LPR never allowed the Ukraine to take control of their state border to Russia

You are really an idiot, if you don't understand the meaning of the written above.

Don't you realize that Ukraine didn't fulfill any single point of the treaty?

And that Germany and France acted as their president and chancelor have claimed - they have lied and wanted a new war.

[EPW]

Serb, I officially EXPEL you from this thread for posting bull****. Please respect my sovereignty and **** off.

[SmartFart]

You expect me to answer an idiocy?

Over and over again?

Traktor, traktor, traktorče, vozi Mile motorče, vozi Mile kola fina, pobježe iz Knina!
Kosova republjik!

[Dinner]

I would like to say it is possible that Russia could un**** itself and somehow win a long war though it seems unlikely. Ukraine has three times as many tanks, artillery, and fighting vehicles it had at the start of the war and most were captured from dumb Russians. That is before we count western military aid which has only been old stuff not cutting edge stuff. The odds are in Ukraine's favor and I think we will see the liberation of crimes by the end of the coming summer.

That said, if some how western backers stop helping Ukraine or if Russia is will to take catastrophic loses over years then maybe they might provail. Given Russia's dying demographics that would be the end of Russia though. So either way Russia loses and that suits me fine.

[Serb]

Serb, I officially EXPEL you from this thread for posting bull****. Please respect my sovereignty and **** off.

What's up mofo? Out of arguments?

[Serb]

Traktor, traktor, traktorče, vozi Mile motorče, vozi Mile kola fina, pobježe iz Knina!
Kosova republjik!

Are you sure you are sane?