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  • #61
    17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt +
    10 - Harry S. Truman
    15 - Dwight Eisenhower
    9 - John F. Kennedy --
    7 - Lyndon B. Johnson
    17 - Jimmy Carter
    10 - George Bush
    3 - Bill Clinton
    13 - Barack Obama

    JM
    Jon Miller-
    I AM.CANADIAN
    GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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    • #62
      17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
      10 - Harry S. Truman
      15 - Dwight Eisenhower
      9 - John F. Kennedy
      7 - Lyndon B. Johnson
      18 - Jimmy Carter +
      8 - George Bush -
      3 - Bill Clinton
      13 - Barack Obama

      There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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      • #63
        17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
        10 - Harry S. Truman
        15 - Dwight Eisenhower
        9 - John F. Kennedy
        7 - Lyndon B. Johnson
        18 - Jimmy Carter
        9 - George Bush +
        3 - Bill Clinton
        11 - Barack Obama --
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • #64
          17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
          10 - Harry S. Truman
          15 - Dwight Eisenhower
          9 - John F. Kennedy
          5 - Lyndon B. Johnson -2
          18 - Jimmy Carter
          9 - George Bush
          4 - Bill Clinton +1
          11 - Barack Obama

          I cannot believe everyone has forgotten how horrendous Lyndon Baines Johnson was.
          “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

          ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​

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          • -Jrabbit
            #64.1
            -Jrabbit commented
            September 17, 2022, 20:49
            Editing a comment
            He was an old-school backroom deal-maker who sent many of my contemporaries off to die in VietNam. And yes, he seemed to enjoy hurting his dogs. But LBJ was also arguably the last of the great compromisers to sit in the White House. And that's what got us the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. The Clean Air Act. The Fair Housing Act. Medicare. Medicaid. In terms of legislation, he was an absolute monster. It took Texas-sized balls to make those things happen. These were political poison pills, so much so that they kept him from running for a second term.

            Horrendous? Not in my view.
        • #65
          Originally posted by pchang View Post
          17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
          I cannot believe everyone has forgotten how horrendous Lyndon Baines Johnson was.
          Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Immigration Reform, Healthcare Reform, Education Reform, Gun Control, Moon Landings

          "

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          • #66
            But he also had JFK assassinated.

            ALLEGEDLY.
            One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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            • #67
              Something, something Vietnam
              I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
              Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
              Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!

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              • #68
                I am inclined to drop Clinton, JFK and Truman first. But I agree that LBJ was problematic.

                JM
                (Actually Nixon also did good while not being a good person. I do favor LBJ over Nixon because I feel like relatively Nixon did a lot more that was bad (and I feel similarly about Reagan too).)
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #69
                  17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                  8 - Harry S. Truman --
                  15 - Dwight Eisenhower
                  9 - John F. Kennedy
                  5 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                  18 - Jimmy Carter
                  9 - George Bush
                  4 - Bill Clinton
                  12 - Barack Obama +

                  Truman doctrine, nukes, I love Lucy, etc.
                  "

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                  • #70
                    17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                    8 - Harry S. Truman
                    15 - Dwight Eisenhower
                    9 - John F. Kennedy
                    6 - Lyndon B. Johnson +
                    18 - Jimmy Carter
                    7 - George Bush --
                    4 - Bill Clinton
                    12 - Barack Obama

                    Protest vote vs pchang. So hard to know how 8 years of JFK would have compared to LBJ but, thrust into the role, he was aggressive as well as effective in getting big things done.
                    George Bush was arguably evil and positively corrupt AF. Ex-head of CIA as POTUS was just such a bad idea.
                    Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
                    RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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                    • #71
                      17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                      8 - Harry S. Truman
                      15 - Dwight Eisenhower
                      7 - John F. Kennedy --
                      6 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                      18 - Jimmy Carter
                      7 - George Bush
                      4 - Bill Clinton
                      13 - Barack Obama +

                      JM
                      Jon Miller-
                      I AM.CANADIAN
                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • #72
                        17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                        8 - Harry S. Truman
                        15 - Dwight Eisenhower
                        8 - John F. Kennedy +
                        6 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                        18 - Jimmy Carter
                        5 - George Bush -
                        4 - Bill Clinton
                        13 - Barack Obama
                        There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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                        • #73
                          17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                          8 - Harry S. Truman
                          14 - Dwight Eisenhower -1
                          8 - John F. Kennedy
                          6 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                          19 - Jimmy Carter +1
                          5 - George Bush
                          4 - Bill Clinton
                          12 - Barack Obama -1

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                          • pchang
                            #73.1
                            pchang commented
                            September 18, 2022, 16:55
                            Editing a comment
                            I was not aware one could split the negative vote
                        • #74
                          I know this is under 24 hours for me, but with my schedule right now, I won't be around to do any overlapping.

                          17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                          8 - Harry S. Truman
                          14 - Dwight Eisenhower
                          8 - John F. Kennedy
                          5 - Lyndon B. Johnson -
                          19 - Jimmy Carter
                          4 - George Bush -
                          4 - Bill Clinton
                          13 - Barack Obama +
                          Founder of The Glory of War, CHAMPIONS OF APOLYTON!!!
                          '92 & '96 Perot, '00 & '04 Bush, '08 & '12 Obama, '16 Clinton, '20 Biden, '24 Harris

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                          • EPW
                            #74.1
                            EPW commented
                            September 18, 2022, 09:45
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                            you did not violate any rules. 12 hours between votes and 1 vote per day based on GMT time zone
                        • #75
                          17 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                          8 - Harry S. Truman
                          14 - Dwight Eisenhower
                          8 - John F. Kennedy
                          5 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                          19 - Jimmy Carter
                          2 - George Bush -2
                          5 - Bill Clinton +1
                          13 - Barack Obama
                          “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                          ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​

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